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Obligatory point: Google Docs doesn't meet the Open Definition
On 03/30/2015 12:37 AM, Hasive Nurunnaby wrote:
Good Idea Alberto!
I create a open doc: http://bit.ly/1G7t91z
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, alberto abella alberto.abe...@okfn.es
mailto:alberto.abe...@okfn.es wrote:
.
Respectfully,
Aaron
On 02/06/2015 02:12 AM, Rufus Pollock wrote:
Hi Aaron,
Responding inline below.
On 5 February 2015 at 21:29, Aaron Wolf wolft...@riseup.net
mailto:wolft...@riseup.net wrote:
So, See how data can change the world is still an awful tag-line. It
has
toward disregarding those areas, which I hope isn't going to continue).
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Note that discussion bout the definition should take place on the od-discuss
list ideally, but just so the main list has it, the full list of OD 2.1 issues
being considered is at https://github.com/okfn/opendefinition/labels/2.1
On 01/17/2015 11:15 AM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
Please be advised
and move funding from proprietary culture to free
culture!
The main site is partly working for testing at snowdrift.coop, and we're
continuing to develop as quickly as we can while the fund-drive is going.
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Heh, copy/paste minor issue:
I called out free culture in my announcement just now. To be clear, we're for
Free/Open everything: culture, data, science, technology, software, journalism,
etc.
Cheers,
Aaron
On 11/30/2014 08:52 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
Hi everyone,
*
Now live at https
+1 Peter's call for truly Free/Libre/Open license. NC is non-Open by the
Open definition along with many others.
I encourage CC-BY-SA though, as I like copyleft to keep things
Free/Libre/Open for all. But either way. CC-BY is fine too.
On 11/24/2014 07:35 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
The NC
that all feel obliged to apologize and
acknowledge every time we use proprietary tools.
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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote:
Hi All
Following on from talks about meta-community on IRC+pad yesterday [1], an
idea on the Open
merely because they are
omitted. It does not say that the written list of acceptable and prohibited
clauses is a strictly complete list.
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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:45 AM, stef s...@ctrlc.hu wrote:
joshs concerns are quite interesting and seem plausible
asks why these new clauses and the answer we're not adding
extra rigor, we're just explicitly stating that stuff that the GPL does is
ok
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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:13 AM, stef s...@ctrlc.hu wrote:
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:46:24AM -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote
project.
I propose that we go through this, draft the 2.1 version of the OD,
consider all these critiques that have come up, and even then publish a
release-candidate of 2.1 before finalizing. It already stinks that we
couldn't include these concerns in v2 proper.
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trying to get *everyone *to think this way, and that will
address this sort of situation.
If someone wants to figure out how to make my ramblings more concise,
that'd be welcome.
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:50 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.org
wrote
didn't want
a long thread, I just want others to say, yeah, that's what we should have
done and should do in the future.
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shared my concerns enough to reply to my post or
otherwise do this the right way.
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Samuel Azoulay azoulay...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I just noticed
, especially after the poor (and still unresolved) issue of rolling
out the data-centric tag-line.
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@okfn.org.br
wrote:
Hi Herb,
unfortunately I don't have time to read it in details, but I can check
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Chris Sakkas sanglor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Many people on these mailing lists helped out with the first release of A
Free, Libre and Open Glossary, which is over a year old now!
I thought you might be interested that I'm playing
of this if not for the
strange narrowing of the data focus.
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.org
wrote:
To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the
see how stuff e.g. you could vary it to:
see how open culture
the initial concern remains: Does Open Knowledge include art and
culture? If See how data… is even an option, I still have my doubts.
Maybe I was wrong all along and OK was *never* inclusive of those things…
I'm really not honestly sure now.
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included or
invited on first impression.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:29 AM, heath rezabek heath.reza...@gmail.com
wrote:
Aaron, I also have an open culture focus, and I'd think, Of course it
does. It'd be absurd to think not.
It seems to me that all one would need
Hi Daniella,
Thanks for sharing that neat poetry / song.
The thing in this case is that free is a complex idea. Think about
liberty. Are the thoughts free if they cannot escape your mind, cannot be
uttered? Are they free if they are out there but YOU cannot *hear* them
because the people who
At any rate, I should add that people who don't like the tagline as is
should propose variations. Ideas is nicely general without repeating the
word knowledge.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Daniella,
Thanks for sharing
I added some notes to the etherpad for the manifesto.
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Laura James laura.ja...@okfn.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
In this week's workshop on Privacy + Open Data, a few people suggested the
idea of a manifesto to set out what open
in to haters, but when reasonable people express things that aren't it's
too fluffy, or it's too chunky but really express true dislike with
explanations and persistence, *then* we *need* to drop the item in question.
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:28 AM
much better than the
implications of the current tagline which might be after we open this
[Pandora's box?], we will see what changes it brings…
My second choice is NO tagline.
Third: Open knowledge, open data, open minds
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Rufus
technology is not the answer. The question is what
sort of technology. Free/Libre/Open (FLO) internet? Yay! Proprietary
internet? Undermines our democracy and society. The tech is relatively
neutral.
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:21 PM, John Baxter j...@jsbaxter.com.au
call on the Open Knowledge community and organization to
keep this in mind: Do not fall into the Free vs Open silly debate by
letting Open become a neutralized term! Push for Open to really matter
and to be about respecting civil liberties and democracy!
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).
All that is partly speculation, of course.
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Rayna rayna...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am surprised by this whole discussion, to be honest.
To me, the support of OKF to the RtN initiative was a given. Before
getting
It's quite unfortunate and disappointing that this sort of
(amazing-looking) conference would hold their discussion via FaceBook.
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Steven Clift cl...@e-democracy.org wrote:
Day two is under way ... lots of civic tech/open gov speakers
Sorry for my leap to making connections from the earlier e-mail.
I see the conference is quite a mix of folks with lots of perspectives, and
is actually sponsored by FaceBook, among others. So I'll just stick with
it's complicated.
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM
the responsibility to apologize for it. Don't
expect people to think it's fine. Don't present it as though it is fine.
Present it as an acknowledged compromise.
Respectfully,
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM, heath rezabek heath.reza...@gmail.com
wrote:
Stef -
I think
of
broader scope for OK. In other words, it does more harm than good. It is a
net-negative tag-line. It will turn more people away from OK than it will
bring, I suspect.
Thanks for hearing me out,
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On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Laura James laura.ja...@okfn.org wrote
.
Thanks,
Aaron
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On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Laura,
With all due respect, I suggest that NO tagline is an improvement in the
interim. See how data can change the world is worse than any other
suggestion anyone has offered
is the source of much of the contention here.
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Rufus Pollock rufus.poll...@okfn.orgwrote:
Just want to follow up here - Laura and I havereally appreciated the
feedback we've got - especially some of the searching critique.
I also want
choices…
The third line the — and apparent — bit is pedantic and unnecessary.
Remove it and it loses nothing and is less wordy.
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Just to be succinct so it isn't missed, I posted this proposal earlier:
Open Knowledge: Empowering people by freeing ideas
That includes Free and Open and People and Knowledge and Ideas, it's very
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There are many totally different ways to go with the tagline than those
I've seen proposed so far. For example:
Open Knowledge [logo]
Empowering people by freeing ideas
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already is associated is knowledge the whole idea is Open Knowledge and
that is already not everything exactly, but it encompasses far more than
just Open Data. Open Knowledge is also a far more inspiring concept.
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to regard lightly but something to rectify ASAP.
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:28 AM, heath rezabek heath.reza...@gmail.comwrote:
I have a thought on this, and want to present a possible way a local
ambassador or chapter could utilize the logo and tagline
/
Besides not actually highlighting some of the better options, that site has
an NC clause to its license, so it does not itself meet the Open
definition. If you accept a non-Open site for discovering Open projects,
alternativeto.net is far superior.
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way it really functions is that it includes all the proprietary
stuff so you can see what is alternative to what… There's nothing confusing
once you realize that they use Open Source for FLOSS and Free for
gratis-but-proprietary.
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Just want to reinforce: the FSF has a directory and is recruiting help:
http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page
Why duplicate their efforts if we can assist them instead?
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Pierre-Carl Langlais
pierrecarl.langl...@gmail.com wrote:
I
, the most *practical* but itself non-Open is
alternativeto.net
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Anthony Clearn acle...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Eric, afaik the directory is a list of FSF approved software, that is,
the code is released under a version of the GNU GPL license. Thus the code
is reusable under the terms of that license (as in freedom to 'reuse',
mean it as a
rebuke to anything you said. Your points are all fine in essence.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
Folks will want stuff that is easy to access and is free, that is, most
people won't want to pay
. And for the record, I'm just some outside person
subscribed to the list, caring about these issues, and working to promote
freedom and openness in my own ways.
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The Debian Free Software Guidelines are actually the initial source of the
OKFN's definition for Open. Check it out, they barely changed anything:
Ok, I looked it over a little more, and must admit that was hyperbole.
Quite
and can
filter by Open Source and are probably the easiest way to discover tools.
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I mentioned some things on the other thread, but for avoiding these closed
companies, I hope everyone is at least already aware of
http://prism-break.org/
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
(please don't answer in this thread
Copyright shouldn't exist at all, but if we want to push for a lowered
time, it should not be pegged to one's death, it should be a set time.
Otherwise, it provides perverse incentives around people dying.
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Mark Wainwright
mark.wainwri
support your idea of using a wiki to draft policies and
then to formalize and sign a set thing that gets placed in static form at
OKFN site and referenced from the wiki.
Respectfully,
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
I
is wrong with open data if we assume
certain morality that favors transparency, science, and democracy? The
answer is, I think: nothing is wrong with it as long as measures are in
place to protect civil liberties related to privacy.
Cheers,
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3
On 10/07/2013 06:11 PM,
okfn-discuss-request@lists.**okfn.orgokfn-discuss-requ...@lists.okfn.orgwrote:
From: Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [okfn-discuss] what are the arguments against open data
To: Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com, Open Knowledge Foundation
discussion list okfn
-sentence definition is good
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
Open data is data that can be freely used, shared and built-on by anyone,
anywhere for any purpose.
This says it all. This is the best definition, it is clear and easy
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, it will be best
to consent to improving it rather than waste time with problematic forks.
Fragmentation isn't a good thing, even though forking is a necessary
freedom.
Respectfully,
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On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
I guess
.
Respectfully,
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On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
it will be best to consent to improving it rather than waste time with
problematic forks.
This is assuming that contributing to the web is a zero sum game, that if
you
positive assertions about why we
should do work elsewhere. But because it isn't Wikipedia and, darn it, I
wish Wikipedia weren't so popular is not a valid justification.
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definition and explanation of Open Science whether an editor
used their real name.
Your 3rd point is nothing more than FUD.
There are good reasons to publish outside Wikipedia. These are not among
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but is especially accurate.
Given that it is so confusing, is it not the case that Open source
journalism: could refer to actual open source, as in the source material
is available?
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Chris Sakkas sanglor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks
I'm getting a 404 error at http://opendefinition.org/okd/
anyone know what's up?
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http://m.spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/computing/networks/jaron-lanier-were-being-enslaved-by-free-information
http://
spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/computing/networks/jaron-lanier-were-being
the chances of someone giving a try
of something they are doubtful about. That is why we are developing an
alternative model to get workers a functional living, because the value of
a livable salary shouldn't be ignored either.
Cheers,
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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:32
?
And this will only happen if we do acknowledge all of these terms as being
related to the same central libre concept.
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Javier Creus
javicr...@ideasforchange.comwrote:
We could maybe adopt the terms in spanish as a standard
- libre = open = Free
As explained at http://snowdrift.coop/w/free-libre-open
we are running with FLOW: Free/libre/open World (or perhaps Free/Libre/Open
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 10/07/13 14:53, Aaron Wolf wrote:
I like the idea
your
liberties in some way. And that matters to people in a way that saying it
is non-open does not.
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:34 AM, heath rezabek heath.reza...@gmail.comwrote:
I understand the debate a little better now. Another possibility is to
proactively
as a focus, although in the short term, I want to work with the
existing infrastructure of Free/Open references.
Anyway, if we're going to aim for Libre, the most prominent starting point
is surely LibreOffice.
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM, heath rezabek heath.reza
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Gene Shackman eval_g...@yahoo.com wrote:
It seems to me there are a number of things going on here.
1. Apparently there are debates or arguments going on within the
free/open/libre/gratis community, with lots of groups advocating for their
own term. So for
to enable and encourage adding
DRM in tons of places where it might otherwise be avoided.
I think we compromise only when the alternative is worse, that's how
compromise works. I am not convinced this situation applies.
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On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM
of acquiescing. Keeping the frame about trying to
compromise in order to ward off worse threats, I'm willing to support
continued discussion about what compromise makes sense.
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On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Gavin Chait gavin.ch...@okfn.org wrote:
Aaron
Amen!
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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Daniel Dietrich
daniel.dietr...@okfn.orgwrote:
Dear Herrmann,
I think the OKFN should publicly reject DRM in general and as a whole.
HTML5 is just one aspect of this battle.
But thats just my humble opinion, interested
/open access as well.
Cheers,
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:24 PM, martin biehl odmar...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi everybody,
first post, so go easy on me...
The question I want to reiterate is whether proponents of open access
should publish in non-open
feedback is greatly appreciated. Let me know any questions.
Thanks everyone!
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for the
culture. We can have respectable people telling the culture to respect DRM.
This is a cultural battle more than a technological one.
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yes, sorry about my typo. We're clear. Public endorsements of negative
things cause more harm than any potential upside of luring your enemies
into your camp or whatever.
All political positions matter in terms of how they inspire others, not
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Well, definitely OWC non-Free because of NC and ND is an issue and should
be emphasized and this brought to people's attention.
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wrote:
Dear all,
While searching
if anyone wants to help us, it is all
part of making the best Free/Libre/Open platform for promoting projects).
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Jonathan Gray jonathan.g...@okfn.orgwrote:
Thought this might be of interest:
http
or not is a side issue.
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Harry Halpin hhal...@ibiblio.org wrote:
Sophia is wisdom but also sophists were those that in contrast to
philosophers who loved wisdom, simply pretended to be able to possess it
and teach it. Thus
is irrelevant to this issue.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
Hi Michael and Peter,
I'm supporting CC since... well, 2001, and free software since 1998, so
yes, I know the consequences of sharing under CC-by and I know I
or four levels of
this, it is impractical for someone to go back and ask permission of many
authors, any one of which has the ability to block the new creative use.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:57 AM, j...@writingcommons.org wrote:
Friends,
I don't
Mike, here's the punctuation you wanted:
Are OKFN lists moving to Google‽
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Mike Linksvayer m...@gondwanaland.comwrote:
Thanks Laura and Joris! I'm not sure what move tasks to a Google
Group means though. Are OKFN lists moving
sense to continue supporting NC
while actively working to clarify these things and discourage its use.
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Tim McNamara
paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nzwrote:
I hate to say this, but I'm not persuaded by calls to abolish
with any
questions and especially if you would consider joining the official
steering committee.
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Mike Linksvayer m...@gondwanaland.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com wrote:
Speaking
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wolftune.com
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Vitor Baptista vi...@vitorbaptista.comwrote:
Hi Aaron,
Your project sounds interesting. Although the methods of doing it are
different, your aim seem similar to gittip.com. A gittip
Thanks, Mike! After reading more of your work, I really respect where you
are coming from, and I hope I can convince you to work with us further to
make this a success. Your input will be very valuable.
A triviality, and presumably a true assertion, but (c) in the
current footer is a bit
to actually work in reality.
Cheers,
Aaron
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 2:03 AM, John Baxter john.slade.bax...@gmail.comwrote:
I agree with others' concerns that the funding model seems very
complicated / scary. I also don't get why. Selling it to this mailing
list should
civilization. You have
voluntary control, but you're part of a larger system. That's how the world
works. Our consumer economic mindset hides this too much.
Anyway, as you can see, we have work to do on selling this idea, so I hope
to convince people to help us work that out.
Cheers,
Aaron
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typo on my e-mail address sorry, it's aa...@wolftune.com
thanks everyone who figured this out and replied or wrote back already
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have been working for several months (after years
monthly and be an ongoing
pledge to support a project until the time that you choose to withdraw your
pledge. There's a lot more to it than this, and some details yet to
finalize.
Cheers,
Aaron
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
Hi Aaron
, though, one reason for this system is that I don't want critics who
are anti-Free/Open to access everything at this point, not until we've made
sure that things are clear. I want to avoid FUD and confusion).
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Aaron Wolf
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Aaron Wolf wolft...@gmail.com
to withdraw their funding from projects that don't live up to the
honor standards.
Cheers,
Aaron
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Aaron Wolf
wolftune.com
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
I also agree this seems really interesting. I haven't seen the site yet so
only comment briefly
cost you
basically anything. No risk. No reason not to go and pledge, assuming you
like the project.
Cheers,
Aaron
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Aaron Wolf
wolftune.com
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote:
My instinct is that if you can't explain how much people will be
expected to give
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