Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-10-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 October 2011 00:12, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Mathias Bauer >wrote: > > > Am 30.09.2011 21:36, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > > > > > I dunno why this is such an issue really, we are both open source > > projects. > > > Cooperating and working together does

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-10-01 Thread Ian Lynch
> > > I'd say stop posting reactionary and emotive stuff when someone makes a > > positive suggestion to get people working together. > > You've hit the nail on the head! > > Since the split of the OOo community we had the strange situation that > many people on both sides declared an interest to g

time to stop that and look forward, not backwards (was Re: Not new but under a new hat)

2011-09-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 30, 2011 8:24 PM, "Mathias Bauer" wrote: ... > Looking for parts in each others posts that could be *interpreted* > negatively got more interest than praising the positive statements in > them. I have a very philantropic attit

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-30 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Am 30.09.2011 21:36, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > > > I dunno why this is such an issue really, we are both open source > projects. > > Cooperating and working together doesnt really needs much, just commit to > > both projects and move on.

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-30 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 30.09.2011 21:36, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > I dunno why this is such an issue really, we are both open source projects. > Cooperating and working together doesnt really needs much, just commit to > both projects and move on. I mean, what are we looking for here, do you want > an explicit th

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-30 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > On 29.09.2011 09:56, Ian Lynch wrote: > > > On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> If everyone agreed that having a single project was best today, then > >> we would have a single project tomorrow. > > > > Point is we have made

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-30 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 29.09.2011 09:56, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weir wrote: > >> If everyone agreed that having a single project was best today, then >> we would have a single project tomorrow. > > Point is we have made little real effort to achieve any consensus on this. > We have done a

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 16:51, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > >> If TDF wants to take the AOOo source code and build it, with or > >> without enhancements, and release it under the name "LibreOffice" for > >> use with Linux distros, then they are welcome to d

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 10:50 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an IBM employee. Congratulations for the new job at IBM and for t

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; First of all, I am very glad seeing all this OOo developers hired at IBM .. it's great news!! FWIW, I've seen codebases fork under the same license and never reunite (FreeBSD, NetBSD, and more forks coming out of each afterwards) so while I don't say merging back LO into OOo is impossible, it

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Tor Lillqvist
>>I come back to the point that if division is intrinsically good, why not >>fork Inkscape, Audacity, Gimp, etc etc. GIMP has been forked for quite some time... Read up on the history of CinePaint (formerly known as "Film GIMP") and its disagreements with GIMP. Here the reasons for the fork were m

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: >> If TDF wants to take the AOOo source code and build it, with or >> without enhancements, and release it under the name "LibreOffice" for >> use with Linux distros, then they are welcome to do that.  They need >> no additional permissions from A

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Jürgen, Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Regards, Dave On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > Hi, > > i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would > take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime > on the project in the future as a

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 28 September 2011 13:31, drew wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: >> > > >> > > or why not just shake hands and part as friends. >> > > >> > >> > Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
> If TDF wants to take the AOOo source code and build it, with or > without enhancements, and release it under the name "LibreOffice" for > use with Linux distros, then they are welcome to do that. They need > no additional permissions from Apache or this project. But that isn't really the point

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 28 September 2011 13:45, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens >> wrote: >> > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> >> > > It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well >> >> > > known brand OpenOffic

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 13:45, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens > wrote: > > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >> > > It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well > >> > > known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It would be the best > >> > > choic

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Phipps
On 28 Sep 2011, at 13:45, Rob Weir wrote: >> > > If you have a specific proposal for use of Apache-owned trademarks, > then you are welcome to submit it to this list. We can then review, > discuss and make a recommendation to Apache branding. I believe it was Juergen who was proposing this, no

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 13:31, drew wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: > > > > > > or why not just shake hands and part as friends. > > > > > > > Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is > less > > good for Open Source in general. > > Well, as

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> > > It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well >> > > known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It would be the best >> > > choice for our users. >> > > >> > Please correct me if I'm wron

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > > It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well > > > known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It would be the best > > > choice for our users. > > > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but binary releases bearing that > > name can only be made by

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: > > > > or why not just shake hands and part as friends. > > > > Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is less > good for Open Source in general. Well, as you can guess I disagree - it's only inefficient if one dog

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
> > or why not just shake hands and part as friends. > Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is less good for Open Source in general. Fine strategy if we had thousands of developers in each project and a MS size budget. > > Two projects and two applications. > > -

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Thorsten Behrens < t...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi Jürgen, > > first off, glad to hear you stay with our code & the ecosystem! :) > > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer > > valid and it should be possib

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 12:28 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 28 September 2011 11:53, Thorsten Behrens > wrote: > > > Hi Jürgen, > > > > first off, glad to hear you stay with our code & the ecosystem! :) > > > > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > > From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 11:53, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Hi Jürgen, > > first off, glad to hear you stay with our code & the ecosystem! :) > > Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer > > valid and it should be possible to continue one project, one > > o

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Jürgen, first off, glad to hear you stay with our code & the ecosystem! :) Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer > valid and it should be possible to continue one project, one > office together. > I don't believe it's helpful to start a discussio

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt > Hi, > > i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would > take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime > on the project in the future as an IBM employee. > Hi Jurgen, great to see you coming back into the project

Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi, i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an IBM employee. After 14 years with Sun and Oracle and working on the OOo project since the beginning i was af