[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Side note: Jeff H's description of my situation is exactly correct, down to the last detail. Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Adam is the administrator of his cell and until he can convince the > powers that be at Berkeley to distribute configuration data for him This is the strang

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I have said is that before I as a gatekeeper would accept code > that makes fundamental changes to the way authentication and > authorization works, It's cool, I understand this even if I don't agree with it. I (grudgingly) revived this point pri

Re: [OpenAFS] FC3 network install with OpenAFS rpms

2006-01-29 Thread Derek Atkins
Ron Croonenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] I'm not sure what you mean.. The RPM doesn't care about the RUNNING kernel.. It /does/ care about having 'kernel = " where is the kernel version the RPM was built against. > Is there a way around it ? Um, maybe you could just build the kerne

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > The problem, Jeff, is that you have not quite gotten over the antiquated > notion of a "site" in which a central administrator exerts complete > control over all the services and all the clients. Jeff: I don't believe that any service provider has complete control over

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Sunday, January 29, 2006 06:13:29 PM -0800 Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Adam Megacz wrote: I argue that, in the post-Transarc era, there are a large number of situations where OpenAFS is useful for which no coherent/meaningful definition of "site" exists ("cell", of course,

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: > I would actually love to contribute as such a volunteer (as I have > done for gcc and other projects), but my desire to do so has been > totally nuked by the sorts of assumptions ingrained in those who > decide which contributions get accepted and which don't. The gcc > proje

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: > I argue that, in the post-Transarc era, there are a large number of > situations where OpenAFS is useful for which no coherent/meaningful > definition of "site" exists ("cell", of course, is still well-defined). For 99% of users, they install OpenAFS to access the data in one

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: > Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Nor is it what we want you to do. > > If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of > the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. > > - a Its not a question of bandwidth. I'm sure that MIT

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
(sorry if this appears twice) "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Er, no. AFS was originally developed to serve the needs of Carnegie > Mellon University, which still has multiple cells. IBM helped fund > its development (much as DEC and others helped fund MIT's Project > A

[OpenAFS] Re: the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
(sorry if this appears twice) "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Er, no. AFS was originally developed to serve the needs of Carnegie > Mellon University, which still has multiple cells. IBM helped fund > its development (much as DEC and others helped fund MIT's Project > A

Re: [OpenAFS] the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:19 , Adam Megacz wrote: I think the confusion comes from the fact that AFS was originally a commercial software program that you had to pay a huge amount of money for. Therefore, every user had exactly one "site" -- the organization that paid for his/her copy. It was ext

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Derrick J Brashear
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Adam Megacz wrote: Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nor is it what we want you to do. If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. You have failed to understand. He's saying si

[OpenAFS] the notion of "site" is not always well-defined / "project cells"

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
[ As a side note, I finally got this whole thing working by creating the ] [ bogus AFSDB entry mentioned earlier. But I'd like to continue this ] [ discussion because I think the use case I've set up is a very valuable ] [ one. I'm currently working on a detailed guide on how to set up

[OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Adam Megacz
Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nor is it what we want you to do. If bandwidth is a concern I can certainly arrange to host a mirror of the openafs downloads. We have plenty of bandwidth here. - a ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list OpenAFS-

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: foreign-realm members of system:administrators have weakened powers?

2006-01-29 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Adam Megacz wrote: > To clarify, I need to point them at an installer on openafs.org that > they can double click (with a strong preference for being able to > accept all the default options). This is for Windows and MacOS users; > the Linux users know what they're doing (I hope). Considering th

Re: [OpenAFS] installing OpenAFS-client on Ubuntu

2006-01-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Ryan Propper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I forgot to mention one intermediate step I had to perform, though I > don't know if it makes a difference. (Apologies, but it slipped my mind!) > During "sudo module-assistant auto-build openafs-modules" the setup > failed about halfway through. I ch

Re: [OpenAFS] FC3 network install with OpenAFS rpms

2006-01-29 Thread Sergio Gelato
* Ron Croonenberg [2006-01-28 12:46:17 -0500]: > I pxe booted the machines, used kickstart with the nfs way of installing > things including the OpenAFS > rpm's for the client install. > > However, the newer versions of the OpenAFS rpms check to see what kernel they > are running on and if it >

Re: [OpenAFS] installing OpenAFS-client on Ubuntu

2006-01-29 Thread Ryan Propper
I forgot to mention one intermediate step I had to perform, though I don't know if it makes a difference.  (Apologies, but it slipped my mind!) During "sudo module-assistant auto-build openafs-modules" the setup failed about halfway through.  I checked the error log and found that the install scr