Re: [OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-05 Thread Matthew Cocker
Jeffrey Unfortunately in an MS environment where the users have been trained to work with a windows fileserver and everything is done via shared excel/word/access documents, persistent file corruption results if I move their home directories to AFS at the moment, which means recovery from tape. T

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-05 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: On Saturday, December 03, 2005 01:26:57 AM -0500 Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Jan 2006 - Stable Windows client with byte range locking that is mandatory to use I have a better idea. I'll decide when byte-range locking support is mandatory for m

RE: [OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-05 Thread ted creedon
If the MIT presentation at the CMU Conference was on the web.. People would understand that 10E? of users rely on the windows client. Reliability is not an option. BTW: Are the CMU talks ever going to be posted? tedc ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list Ope

[OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-04 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Saturday, December 03, 2005 01:26:57 AM -0500 Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the points that I am attempting to make is that the rate of change in the Windows client is going to continue to out pace the rate of change in the Unix-based implementations for at least the ne

RE: [OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-04 Thread ted creedon
Do you ever sleep? Its 10:47 in Anchorage... tedc ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list OpenAFS-info@openafs.org https://lists.openafs.org/mailman/listinfo/openafs-info

[OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-04 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Saturday, December 03, 2005 01:26:57 AM -0500 Jeffrey Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Jan 2006 - Stable Windows client with byte range locking that is mandatory to use I have a better idea. I'll decide when byte-range locking support is mandatory for my users to use. I can thi

[OpenAFS] Re: "OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-03 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:26 AM -0500 12/3/05, Jeffrey Altman wrote: What I am reading in this thread is that people are afraid of the unknown. No, I am afraid of my user community. They are a known quantity, and I know I have reason to be afraid... They vary greatly in what they use AFS for, and in how much

"OpenAFS for Windows development road map" was Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-02 Thread Jeffrey Altman
What I am reading in this thread is that people are afraid of the unknown. I am going to make this argument because no one is saying "do not implement this functionality" nor are they saying keep this functionality out of my cell. What is being argued for is a method that temporarily provide

Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-02 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 12:00 AM -0500 12/2/05, Jeffrey Altman wrote: Terry McCoy wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Neulinger, Nathan wrote: Would it be worth considering having byte range lock support in the code, but enabled with a flag or option of some sort so that code could be staged in without fully implementing i

RE: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-02 Thread Neulinger, Nathan
> If I provide a way to turn it off, how will you ensure that it gets > turned back on in the future? The same way we did ntp, rsh, setcrypt, etc. (Well, not exactly, but close.) Have it compiled in the code, but defaulting to off, let sites choose to enable it. > The benefits of locking will on

Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-01 Thread Jeffrey Altman
Terry McCoy wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Neulinger, Nathan wrote: Would it be worth considering having byte range lock support in the code, but enabled with a flag or option of some sort so that code could be staged in without fully implementing it? i.e. similar to fs setcrypt? That would be

RE: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-01 Thread Terry McCoy
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Neulinger, Nathan wrote: > Would it be worth considering having byte range lock support in the > code, but enabled with a flag or option of some sort so that code could > be staged in without fully implementing it? > > i.e. similar to fs setcrypt? > That would be a suitable.

Re: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-01 Thread Derrick J Brashear
- A bug in callback handling for readonly volumes in the Unix clients has been fixed. which wasn't a bug in 1.4.0 - MacOS 10.3 support has been updated. also not a bug in 1.4.0 - Several MacOS 10.4 issues have been addressed. 10.4 wasn't going to be in 1.4.0 But it is not clear

RE: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-01 Thread Neulinger, Nathan
age- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry McCoy > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:27 PM > To: openafs-info@openafs.org > Subject: [OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question > > > Wondering if it would be possible to build 1.4.1 Release Can

[OpenAFS] 1.4.1-rc2 build question

2005-12-01 Thread Terry McCoy
Wondering if it would be possible to build 1.4.1 Release Candidate 2 without support on the server side for Windows byte range locking? Why would you want to do this? It appears that various non Windows locking related issues are getting addressed within 1.4.1 such as: - A bug in callback han