Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-09 Thread Brandon Allbery
On 10/9/13 08:01, "chas williams - CONTRACTOR" wrote: >On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 20:13:22 + >Coy Hile wrote: > >> Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions? > >I briefly ran an AFS fileserver on an Illumos x86 distribution >(specifically OpenIndiana) inside a VM. Unsu

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-09 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 20:13:22 + Coy Hile wrote: > Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions? I briefly ran an AFS fileserver on an Illumos x86 distribution (specifically OpenIndiana) inside a VM. Unsurprisingly it worked. _

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Ken Dreyer writes: > For example, DKMS would require me to install the compiler and various > development libraries on every single AFS (or ZFS) system. You can use DKMS to create installable packages and just install those packages on the other systems. > The third reason I find DKMS painful i

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Samstag 05 Oktober 2013, 18:16:54 schrieb Ken Dreyer: > >> The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our >> fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on Linux are such a hassle. > > Hmm, not on Debian derivatives, thanks

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Date: Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:13:22PM + Quoting Coy Hile (coy.h...@coyhile.com): > Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions?   > Personally, I'm working on rolling my own SmartOS build t

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Samstag 05 Oktober 2013, 18:16:54 schrieb Ken Dreyer: > The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our > fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on Linux are such a hassle. Hmm, not on Debian derivatives, thanks to DKMS. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs Tel: +49 (0)2

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > * Are you using ZFS-on-Linux in production for file servers? > * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on Linux are such a hass

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Jason Edgecombe
On 10/05/2013 04:13 PM, Coy Hile wrote: Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions? Personally, I'm working on rolling my own SmartOS build that has the AFS kernel module installed so that VMs could be AFS fileservers or clients. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but the

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Coy Hile
M To: Jeff Blaine Cc: OpenAFS Subject: Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Subject: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Date: Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 10:31:47AM -0400 Quoting Jeff Blaine (jbla...@kickflop.net): > [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further do

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Date: Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 10:31:47AM -0400 Quoting Jeff Blaine (jbla...@kickflop.net): > [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further down for you as ] > [ well! ] > > We're

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Harald Barth
> * Are you using ZFS-on-Linux in production for file servers? Yes. > * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? Long there was fear and doubt, but the (not) "quality" of HW-Raid solutions and hassle of Linux SW-Raid convinced us that it could not be worse with ZFS. > * If you are, ho

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Markus Koeberl
On Friday 04 October 2013 16:31:47 Jeff Blaine wrote: > [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further down for you as ] > [ well! ] > > We're still a 100% Solaris + ZFS file server shop. We're EOLing > our Sun SPARC hardware (with tears

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread James E. Dobson
FWIW: I'm using SmartOS (USB device boot) to boot a "smart machine" (aka a "zone") with OpenAFS. Giving up any large amount of space for boot devices on my fileservers seems rather stupid. This has been in production for several months now. Using Debian + zfsonlinux with some success for oth

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 17:18:24 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: > http://conferences.inf.ed.ac.uk/eakc2012/slides/AFS_on_Solaris_ZFS.pdf Thanks a lot. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs Tel: +49 (0)2471 209385 | Mobil: +49 (0)176 34473913 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Jabber: dirk.heinri...@al

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread milek
> -Original Message- > From: openafs-info-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-info- > ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Heinrichs > Sent: 04 October 2013 17:08 > To: openafs-info@openafs.org > Subject: Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? > > Am

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On Oct 4, 2013, at 18:08 , Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 16:51:28 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: > >> See my presentation about it last year. > > Link? http://conferences.inf.ed.ac.uk/eakc2012/ -- Stephan Wiesand DESY -DV- Platanenenallee 6 15738 Zeuthen, Germany _

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 16:51:28 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: > See my presentation about it last year. Link? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs Tel: +49 (0)2471 209385 | Mobil: +49 (0)176 34473913 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Jabber: dirk.heinri...@altum.de signature.asc Description: Thi

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread milek
> -Original Message- > From: openafs-info-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-info- > ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine > Sent: 04 October 2013 15:32 > To: OpenAFS > Subject: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? > > [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further d

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 10:31:47 schrieb Jeff Blaine: > We're still a 100% Solaris + ZFS file server shop. We're EOLing > our Sun SPARC hardware (with tears in our eyes) this year. > > Before we spend a significant amount of time evaluating this, I > figured I'd ask first. Any brief response

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dan Van Der Ster
On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? We stopped because of the memory fragmentation issue. ZFS will use ~twice the arc limit you set, and (in my experience) if you don't set the it wisely (e.g. 20-25% total memory), your server