I agree with Sam and Ian. You nominate someone else for a prize, for example. But for a position you should nominate yourself, and maybe then be supported by other member.
David 2015-01-11 14:02 GMT+01:00 Ian McNicoll <ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com>: > Hi Pablo, > > I think we all agree that the current tool has some difficulties but > its real advantage is in managing the voting process in a trusted > manner. For all its deficiencies, this particular piece of software > seems to have a good reputation in terms of handling the voting > process accurately and fairly. The last thing we want to do at the > moment is to be seen to be hacking things together, with the risk of > people claiming that the process has been unfair or inaccurate. > > I absolutely agree that once this process is over, the new Management > Board should review how we manage membership lists and the voting > process for the future. Perhaps this is something that the proposed > new Web committee could look at. It would certainly be good to have > things much better integrated on the main site. > > For now, I would much prefer to work on better communications on the > members site and on the main site. > > I think the self-nomination question is a bit of a red-herring. > > As Sam has said, there is a minimum commitment that anyone nominated > (self or otherwise) has to commit to. > > They have to want to be nominated, they have to sign up as an > Individual / Industry Partner member, and they have to provide a short > bio. > > I would certainly not want to be nominated publicly by someone else > until my agreement had been sought privately or otherwise > > Behind the scenes I would fully expect Individual Members to be > encouraging others to nominate themselves and offer support, or for > people to seek such support and then self-nominate. > > Again, it is something that can be reviewed in light of our experience > but I don't think changing from self-nomination really makes much > difference to the practicalities. > > Regards, > > Ian > > > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org > > > On 10 January 2015 at 12:10, pazospablo at hotmail.com > <pazospablo at hotmail.com> wrote: > > I also understood we were nominating other people, not ourselves and was > > promoting this in the ES community asking them to join and nominate :/ > > > > > > IMO self nomination is weird because you need to ask someone to support > > your nomination. Nominating someone else is easier, we just need to ask > the > > person if he/she wants to be nominated. > > > > > > About the chosen tool to hanlde this: ot os difficult to work with, from > the > > user and admin perspective. IMO the same can be done just with google > forms, > > that is free and widely used, and paypal directly. > > > > > > Sent from my LG Mobile > > > > ------ Original message------ > > > > From: Ian McNicoll > > > > Date: Fri, Jan 2, 2015 8:31 AM > > > > To: For openEHR clinical discussions; > > > > Cc: For openEHR technical discussions; > > > > Subject:Re: [openEHR-announce] Extension of nominations 31 Jan 2015 - and > > join up now. > > > > Hi Erik,Happy New Year.I agree the list of current nominees and members > > should be made moreobvious- @Sam - is this possible?I have no idea what > is > > meant by 'include name in list of eventregistrants'. There is certainly > no > > other 'secret' list of nomineesand current Board members are not > > automatically nominated.You are correct that self-nomination is > expected. I > > am not sure thatit makes sense to nominate someone else since it would > > really requirethat person's agreement in any case. They would need to be > > registeredmembers and would need to nominate themselves, provide a bio > > etc.The nomination does need support from an existing Board member > butthis > > is purely to prevent vexatious or spurious nominations. I wouldcertainly > not > > expect a nomination to be rejected other than in highlyextreme > > circumstances, and I would personally be happy to supportanyone from the > > 'known' openEHR community, should they wish it.I am not aware of any > > Industry group nominations so far but understandthat these are imminent.I > > agree too that we should issue regular updates over the next weeks,along > > with lists of current nominations - we need more!Regards,IanDr Ian > > McNicolloffice +44 (0)1536 414 994fax +44 (0)1536 516317mobile +44 (0)775 > > 209 7859skype ianmcnicollian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.comClinical > Modelling > > Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UKDirector openEHR Foundation > > www.openehr.org/knowledgeHonorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, > UCLSCIMP > > Working Group, NHS ScotlandBCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.orgOn 28 > > December 2014 at 09:11, Erik Sundvall wrote:> Hi and seasons > greetings!>> I > > find the openEHR board nomination process a bit confusing and pretty> > > different to what I am used to in other community settings.>> When > joining > > as an openEHR individual member you first have to wait until> your > > application has been approved, this might be logical in some ways, but> > it > > means you will need to remember to get back to the member site some days> > > later and then do your nominations (a nomination dropout risk).>> Also > you > > can not even view nominations without logging in. After logging in> I did > > not find any list of members possible to nominate, but after> navigating > > around a while I found these four nominations:> - Bosca Tomas, Diego> - > > McNicoll, Ian> - Bakke, Silje Ljosland> - Kobayashi, Shinji>> I guess > these > > nice persons were nominated by individual members, I did not> find any > > information regarding if industry members have nominated any> > candidates.>> > > I did not find any information regarding if any of the current board > > members> are considered already nominated or not (I guess not, since Ian > is > > on the> current board and has been nominated separately).>> The strangest > > thing, unless I misunderstood the submission form:> The form is rigged > > primarily to nominate yourself, and it is optional to> "Include name in > list > > of event registrants" - does that mean that there may> be people secretly > > nominated? Very strange at least from a Swedish> > community/NGO/volunteer-org > > perspective.>> I would like to nominate Thomas Beale for example, can I > do > > that? By> replacing my own name that is pre-filled in the form I guess > it is > > possible> to nominate someone else but it is far from obvious from > > form-texts> regarding "your nomination" etc.>> In the community settings > I > > am used to, the nominations are open so that any> member can nominate any > > member, then the nominated persons are asked if they> would accept a > > nomination or not, then there is a vote among the remaining> nominated > > persons.>> I would suggest some changes> - Listing all current > nominations > > (including from both industry and> individual members) without login > > requirement> - Allowing at least logged in members to see who else is a > > member (so that> we know who can be nominated and can encourage people to > > become members if> they are not listed)> - Making it possible to nominate > > other people than yourself> - Clarifying if anybody not on the visible > > nomination list is considered to> be nominated> - Send out nomination > > reminders regularly (perhaps including a list of the> then nominated > > persons)>> Best regards,> Erik Sundvall>> Ph.D. Medical Informatics. > > Information Architect. Tel: +46-72-524 54 55 (or> 010-1036252 in > Sweden)> > > Li?: erik.sundvall at regionostergotland.se (lio.se changing name 1 Jan > 2015)> > > LiU: erik.sundvall at liu.se http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/>>> On Tue, Dec > 23, > > 2014 at 12:58 AM, wrote:>>>> Happy Xmas everybody,>>>> Thank you to the > new > > members and Industry Partners that have joined up so>> far. We have three > > nominations for the Management Board at this stage. Two>> of the > companies > > have asked for an extension for the joining date to allow>> transition to > > the new Calendar year.>>>> The Board considered their request at the last > > Board meeting and agreed.>> Consequently the closure date for nominations > > has been extended to the 31>> Jan 2015.>>>> Please join up by going to > > http://members.openehr.org We need a broad and>> representative group to > > vote for the Management Board. Your involvement is>> crucial. The funds > also > > help us with the provision of some of the>> fundamentals (web site, CKM > > etc).>>>> Have a great break over Xmas but make sure you contribute to > the > > MedInfo>> workshops by the middle of January. Keep an eye on the lists > for > > details.>>>> Looking forward to working with you all in 2015!>>>> Cheers, > > Sam>>>> Dr Sam Heard>> Chairman, openEHR Foundation>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________>> openEHR-announce > mailing > > list>> openEHR-announce at lists.openehr.org>>>> > > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-announce_lists.openehr.org > >>>> > > _______________________________________________> openEHR-clinical mailing > > list> openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org> > > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org_______________________________________________openEHR-technical > > mailing > > listopenEHR-technical at lists.openehr.orghttp:// > lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > openEHR-technical mailing list > > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org > -- David Moner Cano Grupo de Inform?tica Biom?dica - IBIME Instituto ITACA http://www.ibime.upv.es http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmoner Universidad Polit?cnica de Valencia (UPV) Camino de Vera, s/n, Edificio G-8, Acceso B, 3? planta Valencia - 46022 (Espa?a) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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