Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-09-18 Thread Koray Atalag
: Tuesday, 17 September 2013 8:15 p.m. To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: Recording absence of (clinical) information On 15/07/2013 10:17, Koray Atalag wrote: Hi Gerard, thanks for your response. I agree that a simple Boolean data type is not suitable - that's why we used a

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-09-17 Thread Thomas Beale
On 15/07/2013 09:39, Koray Atalag wrote: > Hi Tom, has anyone come across an example where "Unavailability of certain > information" requires more than a single TEXT item to represent? I'm not > talking about positive statements about exclusion of certain information - > just "Unknown" cases. >

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-09-17 Thread Thomas Beale
On 15/07/2013 10:17, Koray Atalag wrote: > > Hi Gerard, thanks for your response. > > I agree that a simple Boolean data type is not suitable -- that's why > we used a TEXT item (called Presence) with Present, Absent, Unknown > values. The reasons why information is not known can further be > sp

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-23 Thread Heather Leslie
Cc: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Recording absence of (clinical) information Hi Koray, I recognise the issue but it is not simple to reconcile three differing requirements 1. To ensure that negative/absence statements are not inadvertantly picked up by default quer

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Thomas Beale
> Hi everyone, Hi koray, how do you want to do this? We decided against absence / exclusion in th RM a long time ago, because it is not a simple negation in general, but a complex (i.e. archetyped) statement. -thomas > > This is to do with my long standing issue about recording absence of in

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Daniel Karlsson
y, 15 July 2013 7:41 p.m. > To: For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR technical discussions; For > openEHR clinical discussions > Subject: Re: Recording absence of (clinical) information > > > Hi everyone, > Hi koray, > how do you want to do this? We decided against a

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Gerard Freriks
Dear Koray, According to SIAMM: Any thing can be negated (or better it is declared that something is absent. Since each ENTRY archetype is a named process that is: ordered, executed, assessed or summarised after termination, we can describe: - that there is no order, no execution, no assessment

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Ian McNicoll
Hi Koray, I recognise the issue but it is not simple to reconcile three differing requirements 1. To ensure that negative/absence statements are not inadvertantly picked up by default querying. e.g if we simply put a present/absent on 'diagnosis' we either have to explicitly set 'present' on eve

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Koray Atalag
oposal. Cheers, -koray From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Freriks Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 8:00 p.m. To: For openEHR clinical discussions Cc: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Recording absence of (clinical) information

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Koray Atalag
riginal Message- From: openEHR-clinical [mailto:openehr-clinical-boun...@lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 7:41 p.m. To: For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR clinical discussions Subject: Re: Recording absence

Recording absence of (clinical) information

2013-07-15 Thread Koray Atalag
Hi everyone, This is to do with my long standing issue about recording absence of info. In endoscopy models the "Presence" of endoscopic findings was represented as a CLUSTER where a special ELEMENT (that is internally referenced many times for each finding thereafter) captured "Presence" of