Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-13 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:55:02AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > and it works, i just tested that. so i'm not sure what that extended > sed expression was supposed to accomplish but it did nothing to solve > this issue. > Panic over, the issue is nothing to do with F11, SELinux, sed or any ot

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 13:58:23 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > i'm checking right now if there's an option to "ls" to turn > > *off* that feature, but i don't see one offhand. perhaps a better > > lesson is that the way xterm's sinst

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-13 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 13:58:23 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > i'm checking right now if there's an option to "ls" to turn *off* > > that feature, but i don't see one offhand. perhaps a better lesson is > > that the way xterm's sinst

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Philip Balister wrote: > On 11/12/2009 04:42 PM, GNUtoo wrote: > > > Is it practical? I think the answer is no. In my experience, > > > tools like selinux have a tendency to require inordinate amounts > > > of administrative burden that just isn't practical in a > > > develo

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 04:59:41PM -0500, Philip Balister wrote: > On 11/12/2009 04:42 PM, GNUtoo wrote: > >>Is it practical? I think the answer is no. In my experience, tools > >>like selinux have a tendency to require inordinate amounts of > >>administrative burden that just isn't practical in

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Philip Balister
On 11/12/2009 04:42 PM, GNUtoo wrote: Is it practical? I think the answer is no. In my experience, tools like selinux have a tendency to require inordinate amounts of administrative burden that just isn't practical in a development environment. I think requiring that selinux be disabled on bui

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread GNUtoo
> Is it practical? I think the answer is no. In my experience, tools > like selinux have a tendency to require inordinate amounts of > administrative burden that just isn't practical in a development > environment. I think requiring that selinux be disabled on build > hosts > is a reasonable req

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Mike Westerhof
Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > So it is not really fedora specific, but it is SELinux specific. > Do we want to support SELinux as build host ? Do we want to? Yes, it would be a nice thing to support. Is it practical? I think the answer is no. In my experience, tools like selinux have a tendency

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Graeme Gregory wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 07:58:23AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > PS: Personally I think it is a bad idea to change the output format of > > > a utility that is more than 30 years old and that is so widespread. > > > > i have to agree but, frank

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 08:20:08AM +0100, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:36:32 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > anyway, this is about the fourth time i've explained this, either > > here or on the angstrom-devel list. that's the error, and it's > > entirely

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 07:58:23AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > PS: Personally I think it is a bad idea to change the output format of > > a utility that is more than 30 years old and that is so widespread. > > i have to agree but, frankly, i'm astonished that that fundamental a > change c

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > PS: Personally I think it is a bad idea to change the output format > of a utility that is more than 30 years old and that is so > widespread. (and I did not even see an obvious way to get the old > behaviour). someone on the fedora list just sug

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Holger Hans Peter Freyther
On Thursday 12 November 2009 13:58:23 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > i'm checking right now if there's an option to "ls" to turn *off* > that feature, but i don't see one offhand. perhaps a better lesson is > that the way xterm's sinstall.sh script works is really hacky, using > sed to allegedly rep

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > 2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > > > >> 2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : > >> > >> > the above is switching on a symbolic mode, and that final line is > >> > using sed to convert the symbolic mode to th

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Frans Meulenbroeks
2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > >> 2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : >> >> > the above is switching on a symbolic mode, and that final line is >> > using sed to convert the symbolic mode to the corresponding numeric >> > mode for installation. >> > >> >

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > 2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : > > > the above is switching on a symbolic mode, and that final line is > > using sed to convert the symbolic mode to the corresponding numeric > > mode for installation. > > > >  that worked fine a few years back, but

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Philip Balister
On 11/12/2009 12:47 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or that package should be dropped in its entirety. it's been at least three weeks since i pointed out that it doesn't build, and even explained in detail *why* it doesn't build and how t

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
> > Work on OE is purely community driven, ... > > i'm well aware of that. i was trying to become a productive > *member* of that community. at this point, i've pretty much lost > interest. That would be sad. Please don't let yourself be driven a way buy a single incident. I appreciate you lo

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-12 Thread Frans Meulenbroeks
2009/11/12 Robert P. J. Day : > the above is switching on a symbolic mode, and that final line is > using sed to convert the symbolic mode to the corresponding numeric > mode for installation. > >  that worked fine a few years back, but it fails on newer linux > distros for which the long listing

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:36:32 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > anyway, this is about the fourth time i've explained this, > > either here or on the angstrom-devel list. that's the error, and > > it's entirely reproducible on my f11 s

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Holger Hans Peter Freyther
On Thursday 12 November 2009 08:20:08 Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:36:32 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > anyway, this is about the fourth time i've explained this, either > > here or on the angstrom-devel list. that's the error, and it's > > entirely reproducib

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Holger Hans Peter Freyther
On Thursday 12 November 2009 07:36:32 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > anyway, this is about the fourth time i've explained this, either > here or on the angstrom-devel list. that's the error, and it's > entirely reproducible on my f11 system. at this point, i'm leaving it > with the powers that be,

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:56:41 Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > > On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:47:22 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or that > > > package should be dropp

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Holger Hans Peter Freyther
On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:56:41 Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:47:22 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or that > > package should be dropped in its entirety. it's been at least three > > weeks since i

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Holger Hans Peter Freyther wrote: > On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:47:22 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or > > that package should be dropped in its entirety. it's been at > > least three weeks since i pointed out that

Re: [oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Holger Hans Peter Freyther
On Thursday 12 November 2009 06:47:22 Robert P. J. Day wrote: > seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or that > package should be dropped in its entirety. it's been at least three > weeks since i pointed out that it doesn't build, and even explained in > detail *why* it doesn

[oe] xterm: either fix it, or remove it. please.

2009-11-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
seriously, either the build of xterm_207 should be fixed, or that package should be dropped in its entirety. it's been at least three weeks since i pointed out that it doesn't build, and even explained in detail *why* it doesn't build and how to fix it. to no avail. so, a humble suggestion