Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-08 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/8 Nicolas Mailhot : > > I don't want this to turn into a flamewar, but consider that new font > projects are being started all the time. They're choosing their > license now. Later for the usual reasons it will be very difficult to > make them switch. It would be much nicer for them if they

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 20:53, Alexandre Prokoudine a écrit : > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until >> there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until >> then, the FAQ updates are the best

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger : >> Though addressing his point should not >> require full rewrite of the license, just of the problem paragraph >> (another bit should be clarifying the renaming clauses and make it >> clear they're an option authors can shoose not to exercise). > > As indicated earlier

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until > there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until > then, the FAQ updates are the best response. Amen to that? :) Alexandre

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
> Though addressing his point should not > require full rewrite of the license, just of the problem paragraph > (another bit should be clarifying the renaming clauses and make it > clear they're an option authors can shoose not to exercise). As indicated earlier, we feel this is sufficiently clari

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
>> OTOH there's the great work of Arne Gotje on CJK fonts which may > well >> provide the community with a .jp font family with more >> re-usable and community-known licensing. > > And also don't forget the work of the WenQuanYi project, http://wenq.org/ Thanks for pointing that out. (it's hard

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Ben Weiner
Dave Crossland wrote: Hi, More licensing curmudgeon-ry from me I'm afraid :-) A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font License": http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html I wonder if the story of its creation will be published to the same extent that the SIL OFL pr

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot : > > Our golden test I like this :-)

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 12:51, Ed Trager a écrit : > I am guessing that the story behind this is that there are very few > FLOSS Japanese fonts, and the ones clearly available for inclusion in > Linux distributions until now are considered unsatisfactory. >From a Fedora POW, we require our fonts to

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Christopher Fynn
Ed Trager wrote: ... I am guessing that the story behind this is that there are very few FLOSS Japanese fonts, and the ones clearly available for inclusion in Linux distributions until now are considered unsatisfactory. People have for a long time considered the IPA fonts better, but the vag

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Ed Trager : > > this newly published IPA Font License in English finally clears the > way for inclusion of the IPA fonts in Linux distributions ... Sounds like a good result, as long as it isn't promoted as best practice :-)

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Ed Trager
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: > Ed Trager wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Nicolas Mailhot >> wrote: >>> >>> Le Lun 6 avril 2009 21:54, Dave Crossland a écrit : >>> A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font License": >>>

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Ed Trager wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le Lun 6 avril 2009 21:54, Dave Crossland a écrit : >> >>> A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font >>> License": >>> >>> http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html >>> >>> The OFL

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Lun 6 avril 2009 21:54, Dave Crossland a écrit : > >> A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font >> License": >> >>     http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html >> >> The OFLB is only going to run with the

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Lun 6 avril 2009 21:54, Dave Crossland a écrit : > >> A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font >> License": >> >> http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html >> >> The OFLB is only going to run with the most popular free font >> licenses, to

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot : > > Also, even if the OFL was perfected, the FSF has sufficient moral > clout that we need a GPL-ish FSF-endorsed font license, because many > people will just refuse to use anything else. I argue we need such a license since the OFL is a weak copyleft (since it doesn't

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 10:09, Dave Crossland a écrit : > > 2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot : >> >> They would have been better advised to lay minimal conditions in >> simple words and not let their lawyers pile up unrelated fell-good >> material in the licensing. > > Given I basically like the OFL, which i

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot : > > They would have been better advised to lay minimal conditions in > simple words and not let their lawyers pile up unrelated fell-good > material in the licensing. Given I basically like the OFL, which is worded as you suggest, I agree :-) What do you think about Per

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 6 avril 2009 21:54, Dave Crossland a écrit : > A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font > License": > > http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html > > The OFLB is only going to run with the most popular free font > licenses, to encourage license consolidation, s

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
Well well, a positive result for license chat :) Awesome work ed! Regards, Dave On 6 Apr 2009, 10:44 PM, "Ed Trager" wrote: Hi, All, I've added IPA license detection to Fontaine: r20 | edtrager | 2009-04-06 17:40:31 -04

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-06 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, All, I've added IPA license detection to Fontaine: r20 | edtrager | 2009-04-06 17:40:31 -0400 (Mon, 06 Apr 2009) | 1 line Added Information-technology Promotion Agency, Japan (IPA) license which is now an Open Source ap

[OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-06 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, More licensing curmudgeon-ry from me I'm afraid :-) A new OSI approved font license is out, the Japanese "IPA Font License": http://opensource.org/licenses/ipafont.html The OFLB is only going to run with the most popular free font licenses, to encourage license consolidation, so I doubt