Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
ICD-10 has tried to be more accurate in making the diagnosis, thereby going into great detail, with the obvious effects of bloat. The ICD-10 -PCS is taking quite the opposite way of doing things, but could be difficult to get people to use it for this reason. They will not have their favorite

Re: [openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
Is NetEpi based on EpiInfo or something growing out of that?? I used EpiInfo it some years ago and can remember writing to the CDC to create a linux version :-) Regards Nanda Gunaratne "Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:    Ignacio Valdes wrote: > Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setu

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Tim.Churches
Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: > First thread: > > I propose we standardize on ICD-10 (as a minimum). It's an international > standard anyway (albeit > difficult to use). This of course does not preclude the others from using SNOMED > if they can > afford to do so. ICD-10 and SNOMED-CT are differen

Re: [openhealth] Code Breakers on BBC World TV

2006-05-12 Thread Tim.Churches
Molly Cheah wrote: > http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc > A two-part documentary, “Code Breakers” will be aired on BBC World TV > starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries > are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and > interviews from around

Re: [openhealth] Standards

2006-05-12 Thread Tim.Churches
Molly Cheah wrote: > There doesn't seem to be control of its use. Information (unofficial) of > its copy rights by WONCA is here > http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/copyright-en.html > > You can download the electronic version of ICPC2 from here. > http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/ceo.html > > When w

[openhealth] Mobilizing NGOs advocating FOSS

2006-05-12 Thread Molly Cheah
Hi, Here's another opportunity for FOSS advocating NGOs and individuals to help influence ICT policies for development at a global level. Feel free to pass this information to anyone interested in promoting FOSS. http://www.unicttaskforce.org/ 

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Alvin B. Marcelo
>  What would standardizing on ICD-10 mean in the context of  an >  organization such as OSHCA  given the reality the heterogenous landscape >  of ICD adoption... what would this mean in real practice? What would >  this imply for those systems using ICD - 9 for example? Would it be more > 

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Alvin B. Marcelo
Yes, I didn't mean to say OSHCA should go on developing standards. I think the better phrase is 'to implement open standards using open source software'. Proceeding with open source software development without agreements in common standards can even speed up the fragmentation the current infor

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Alvin B. Marcelo
I agree with Heitzso. ICD-10 suffers from 'usability' issues. Yet unlike the better systems (ie, SNOMED) it is freely accessible. Perhaps OSHCA can make a statement making ICD-10 the 'least common denominator' together with the caveats and recommendations as cited by Heitzso? --- Heitzso <[E

Re: [openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

2006-05-12 Thread Tim.Churches
Ignacio Valdes wrote: > Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setups are so common that they have > their own designation, collectively called 'LAMP' applications. It > seems that in the United States, the hotbeds of FOSS Electronic > Medical Records (EMR)'s activity are falling into two universes: that

Re: [openhealth] [ FW: [Eval] Extended IT Evaluation Database at http://evaldb.umit.at]

2006-05-12 Thread Tim.Churches
Tim Cook wrote: > > FYI > > A good source for discovering what works and what doesn't in various > healthcare settings. Fantastic! Thanks to N&T for pointing this out - I think I'll be using this a lot. Tim C > FYI > > This database has been developed by a colleague and co-author of mine >

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Heitzso
I do *strongly* recommend researching human engineering studies re determine whether a fine granularity such as is provided by ICD-10, which may be very accurate from a technical point of view, does, in practice, provide more accuracy than a lower granularity encoding. If such a study does not e

[openhealth] RE: SNOMED

2006-05-12 Thread Edward W. Dodds
Title: Proposed New Subcommittee for the OASIS IHC TC http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ihc/200605/msg0.html SPONSORED LINKS Software distribution Salon software

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
Jason Tan Boon Teck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well anything making the work of an evil mind more difficult is worth it :-) Total security being a myth. Nanda On 5/12/06, Franklin M. Siler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 11, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jason Tan Boon Teck wro

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
David Forslund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes. Let us decide which of these nationally decided ones we should support. Regards Nanda Gunaratne It isn't clear to me the role that OSHCA can/should play in the standards world.   It might be useful for the community to agree on th

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
This is the ideal. But if the differences between the two are substantial, it could be a lot of work. IDC-9 was never made for electronic medical records - just paper. I am not sure if ICD-10 is, but it is more likely to be electronically usable. ICD-10-PCS on the other hand was made exclusive

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
"Alvin B. Marcelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any thoughts about that statement? Can we actually call a standard open if there are limitations to its implementation by FOSS?    No. Unless the limitation is due to the laziness of the FOSS developers ;-)    Nanda Gunaratne alvin

Re: [openhealth] Standards

2006-05-12 Thread Heitzso
>  even more important is to provide mappings between coding systems, since >  not everyone will ever use the >  same coding system. ... rant/ramble follows from an old hot-button,     feel free to discard now and not read ... I agree that everyone will not use the same coding system, and tha

Re: [openhealth] Re: request for advice re electronic medical record

2006-05-12 Thread Fred Trotter
If you feel like performing a careful review, feel free to add it to ehr.gplmedicine.org. OSCAR was exculded from my review only in the interests of time. -FT On 5/11/06, James Busser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, sickleofzeus wrote: > > > It is difficult for the a

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Franklin M. Siler
On May 12, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote: > > The way to patch a live CD is to make up a new one. That was my general implication: I have enough CD-Rs floating around  without having to version them.    I've thought about making up CD's for use on questionable hospital  computers (e.g.,

Re: [openhealth] Standards

2006-05-12 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
James Busser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is the way it is and multiple licences are necessary depending on the number of users. Maybe things have changed recently? Nanda Gunaratne On May 11, 2006, at 8:23 AM, David Forslund wrote: > In the US  (and UK) SNOMED-CT is freely a

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Bhaskar, KS
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 09:29 -0500, Franklin M. Siler wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > Don't get me wrong; I think that bootable CD's are handy for a   > variety of purposes.  I just don't think security is one of them.    > While it's true that CD's have the property that backdoors can't be   >

Re: [openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

2006-05-12 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:13:58AM -0500, Ignacio Valdes wrote: > Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setups are so common that they have > their own designation, collectively called 'LAMP' applications. Well, LAMP-EMR might do ? Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BE

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Franklin M. Siler
On May 12, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Jason Tan Boon Teck wrote: > On 5/12/06, Franklin M. Siler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On May 11, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jason Tan Boon Teck wrote: >>> BeatriX has a nifty feature - copy image of CD to HDD, and then use >>> that >>> image from that point onwards. It's

[openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

2006-05-12 Thread Ignacio Valdes
Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setups are so common that they have their own designation, collectively called 'LAMP' applications. It seems that in the United States, the hotbeds of FOSS Electronic Medical Records (EMR)'s activity are falling into two universes: that based upon the VA's Vist

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread David Forslund
It isn't clear to me the role that OSHCA can/should play in the standards world.   It might be useful for the community to agree on things that "everyone" will support, but that alone doesn't make it a "standard". Standards my be dictated by national entities or other bodies outside the contr

[openhealth] [ FW: [Eval] Extended IT Evaluation Database at http://evaldb.umit.at]

2006-05-12 Thread Tim Cook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI A good source for discovering what works and what doesn't in various healthcare settings. Tim - Original Message Subject: PATH-ALL FW: [Eval] Extended IT Evaluation Database at http://evaldb.umit.at Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 0

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Jason Tan Boon Teck
On 5/12/06, Franklin M. Siler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 11, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jason Tan Boon Teck wrote: > > > BeatriX has a nifty feature - copy image of CD to HDD, and then use > > that > > image from that point onwards. It's remains as a single image file > > on the > > HDD and

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
...some thoughts... What would standardizing on ICD-10 mean in the context of  an organization such as OSHCA  given the reality the heterogenous landscape of ICD adoption... what would this mean in real practice? What would this imply for those systems using ICD - 9 for example? Would it be

Re: [openhealth] Zombie hacker pleads guilty to hospital infection

2006-05-12 Thread Franklin M . Siler
On May 11, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jason Tan Boon Teck wrote: > BeatriX has a nifty feature - copy image of CD to HDD, and then use  > that > image from that point onwards. It's remains as a single image file  > on the > HDD and would require a uber l33t to hack that. I'm afraid that statement u

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Bhaskar, KS
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 04:42 -0500, Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > Second thread: > > An interesting insight I got at the last Regional Conference in Open > Standards sponsored by NECTEC > and IOSN in Bangkok (May 2-4) --  an Intel smployee (Danese) > emphasized that open standa

[openhealth] Standards -- more questions

2006-05-12 Thread Alvin B. Marcelo
First thread: I propose we standardize on ICD-10 (as a minimum). It's an international standard anyway (albeit difficult to use). This of course does not preclude the others from using SNOMED if they can afford to do so. That being the case, OSHCA can also 'standardize' on the preferred mappi