Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [solarisx86] For those nostalgic fellas

2011-01-15 Thread Marc Williams
On 01/10/11 05:24 PM, Nikola M. wrote: You can put it on the center of the screen, that is for sure. Maybe you could ask someone on xfce list or something. I have been using Xfce for 3+ years with Xubuntu and I mostly make it look like win95 bar with one extra panel. Anyway Xfce is greatly conf

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] inetadm and svcadm

2011-01-15 Thread Hugh McIntyre
Matt Wilby wrote: Hi, Do a 'ps -ef | grep nagios'. The third column gives you parent pid. What is it? You can find the PID of nagios and then "ptree ". This will give you the parent, plus any grandparents all the way up. However, for something like ssh started by SMF, the parent pid is 1 (

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Deano
Guido wrote > You seem to have a misconception of how the OI project operates. > The current situation is that the largest part of maintenance > work for all consolidations except ON is still done by Oracle > although consolidation maintainers add fixes on top of that where > they deem it necessa

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Alan, On 15 Jan 2011, at 20:34, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 01/15/11 03:34 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: >> Unfortunately this is something we have inherited from Oracle. Some of the >> packages need to be split, so that they don't pull in such a large tree of >> dependencies. Some packages (

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 01/15/11 03:34 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Unfortunately this is something we have inherited from Oracle. Some of the > packages need to be split, so that they don't pull in such a large tree of > dependencies. Some packages (Things like python) also have dependencies on > things like the g

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Guido Berhoerster
* Deano [2011-01-15 18:39]: > Guido wrote > > I agree with that, however I consider this strictly a makeshift > > solution for those who are now desperately in need for a > > replacement of OpenSolaris to bridge the time until the > > Illumos-based OI has stabilized. > > How does illumos-based OI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Deano
> > Currently the dependency chain of the packages, is erm to be polite utterly > > broken... Before we can consider a stable build, we have to fix that a text > > install takes 2.6GiB and includes so much stuff that doesn't belong. Trying > > to remove via pkg gets you nowhere as it horrible chai

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Sorin Stoiana
+1 On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Alexander Sergeev wrote: > Having stable *server* branch is great - that's what I was waiting for :) > > I personally don't care about GUI part at all, nor I believe most of > server users. > > Cheers, > Alex > > ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Deano
Guido wrote > I agree with that, however I consider this strictly a makeshift > solution for those who are now desperately in need for a > replacement of OpenSolaris to bridge the time until the > Illumos-based OI has stabilized. How does illumos-based OI change the situation we currently have, th

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Idea for stable release

2011-01-15 Thread Gregory Youngblood
I just read the idea put forth to create a stable release off 148 now as opposed to waiting for the full illumos integration. +1 I like the ideas presented, especially tracking apache, php, and other software in centos 6 as a means if simplifying keeping up with security updates. It also has

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana branding

2011-01-15 Thread Lou Picciano
Richard, Jesus: This conversation is helpful to me; I am wrestling with this right now, as I am modifying a build or two to be Oi-specific. What's the consensus? What's the best, most reliable 'tag' to use for indicating a given build is for Oi_148? Of course, the question suggests: 'Wha

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana branding

2011-01-15 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
On Jan 15, 2011, at 3:33 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 14/01/11 21:53, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: >> OpenIndiana is technically SunOS 5.11, and to maintain compatibility >> we'll be keeping this for the foreseeable future. Perhaps in the very >> dista

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Guido Berhoerster
* Alasdair Lumsden [2011-01-14 21:36]: > The release would be aimed for February, and titled "2011.02". It would be > based > on oi_148. We would only provide the Text Installer and Automated Installer > ISOs. > > We would provide security and critical bug fixes only for: > > 1. OS/Net (The cor

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [oi-dev] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Hernan Saltiel
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Hi All, > > I believe now would be a really good time for us to create our first stable > branch of OpenIndiana, given the timing of some developments within the > project. > > Below I've outlined my proposal and I'd love feedback from the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 14:47, Ivan Wang wrote: > Then I am also one of the minority here.. > > I do use solaris/opensolaris/openindiana as desktop and plan to > continue doing so until all is lost. > This goes back to my school day sitting in front of ultra1 in the lab. > Old habit dies hard. > > Pl

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Ivan Wang
Then I am also one of the minority here.. I do use solaris/opensolaris/openindiana as desktop and plan to continue doing so until all is lost. This goes back to my school day sitting in front of ultra1 in the lab. Old habit dies hard. Please continue openindiana's desktop viability as long as pos

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Missing "torrent"

2011-01-15 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://openindiana.org/download/ "OpenIndiana Build 148 x86 Live USB for dd, 1.0G" exists, but there is no MD5/SHA1 checksums, neither torrent a torrent file. Could somebody solve it?. Thanks. - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> The Belenix team will be working with the OI team to ensure that we > have one common code base as much as possible. > > We are continuing to aim for the Desktop. Excellent!!! I can hell with multimedia applications which are a must for every desktop system. A.S. -- Apost

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Lou Picciano
Again, I'm going to 'step forward' regarding Postfix. We use it a lot, we need it! (I'll take a shot at packaging it for the New World Order). Lou Picciano - Original Message - From: "Alasdair Lumsden" To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:44:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Till_OI
On 15.01.2011 13:18, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: It wouldn't be a minimal distro. We would simply republish oi_148 to /stable, then only update a small set of packages with security updates. The work involved would be backporting security fixes, recompiling the software and publishing the fixed pa

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread ken mays
Hi Alasdair, Good to list the security and bug fixes addressed in this stabilization and what will end up in the live/install distro versus IPS. How does this relate to Sol11x 2010.11 in its provided fixes? Backports from it? Newer? ~ Ken Mays --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 12:05, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: > Alasdair, > > I understand that the proposed stable branch would be minimalistic to save > developer time an effort, but isn't there a danger of the opposite - that > having two branches would nearly double the labor amount? Hi Dmitry, It

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Alasdair, I understand that the proposed stable branch would be minimalistic to save developer time an effort, but isn't there a danger of the opposite - that having two branches would nearly double the labor amount? Dmitry. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 09:24, Matt Wilby wrote: > Maybe worth adding ZSH to the list (gets installed by default). > > Postfix perhaps? Possibly, although the default MTA is (unfortunately!) sendmail. Given the limited resources, unless someone steps forward to assist with maintaining security fixe

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana branding

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 08:33, Jesus Cea wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 14/01/11 21:53, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: >> OpenIndiana is technically SunOS 5.11, and to maintain compatibility >> we'll be keeping this for the foreseeable future. Perhaps in the very >> distant f

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 02:18, Anil wrote: > Have you guys thought about implementing pkgsrc natively for 3rd > party/userland packages? > > http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html#platforms > > I recently came across it and it's quite interesting. I am debating to > use that in conjunction

[OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread russell
Hi Alistair, Thank you for organising the OpenIndiana release and while I appreciate the focus on servers as the target for OpenIndiana development. As I worked as System Administrator for many years for a UK software house which developed Scientific Software software during that time platform

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi Deano, Thanks for your feedback - I appreciate you taking the time to write a big reply. On 15 Jan 2011, at 01:20, Deano wrote: > Hi, > Sounds like an good move, however I don't think that you mentioned or > proposed how we tackle one issue of taking OI into production server (which > is pos

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread hairryharry
Thanks Alasdair, Good - I had hoped thats what you were suggesting. Mike Alasdair Lumsden wrote: On 15 Jan 2011, at 10:37, Hairry Harry wrote: The advice please is if the overall plan is to move completely to a server based distro and use as a desktop OS is limited should I just stop wa

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Edward Martinez
On 01/15/11 03:02, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: The proposal for the Stable branch was for it to be a clone of the dev branch in every way had a thought, how about creating OI into two editions: OpenIndiana server( no gui, gets security updates) OpenIndiana desktop(with gui, no s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
On 15 Jan 2011, at 10:37, Hairry Harry wrote: > The advice please is if the overall plan is to move completely to a > server based distro and use as a desktop OS is limited should I just > stop wasting my time and step off now and return to linux. Mike, I think you've misunderstood the proposal

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Sriram Narayanan
The Belenix team will be working with the OI team to ensure that we have one common code base as much as possible. We are continuing to aim for the Desktop. -- Sriram On 1/15/11, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: > Please count my vote for this also. I am using OSol as a server, but it > is much easier

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Alexander Sergeev
Having stable *server* branch is great - that's what I was waiting for :) I personally don't care about GUI part at all, nor I believe most of server users. Cheers, Alex ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://op

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Please count my vote for this also. I am using OSol as a server, but it is much easier for me to administer it using GUI. On 15.01.2011 15:37, hairryharry wrote: My plea is please not to ignore the desktop/home user, yes we are in the minority please ensure we can still access a reasonably s

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Hairry Harry
A plea and advice. I suspect I am in the minority who has found solaris then OSOL and now OI and now uses it as a desktop system and small server - CIFS for kids home work. But coming from linux use over last 12 years have found it rather good -feels stable, limited packages but what you generall

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread hairryharry
A plea and advice. I suspect I am in the minority who has found solaris then OSOL and now OI and now uses it as a desktop system and small server - CIFS for kids home work. But coming from linux use over last 12 years have found it rather good -feels stable, limited packages but what you gener

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Proposal: OpenIndiana Stable Branch

2011-01-15 Thread Matt Wilby
Maybe worth adding ZSH to the list (gets installed by default). Postfix perhaps? Cheers, Matt On 14/01/2011 20:36, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Hi All, > > I believe now would be a really good time for us to create our first stable > branch of OpenIndiana, given the timing of some developments

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana branding

2011-01-15 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/11 21:53, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > OpenIndiana is technically SunOS 5.11, and to maintain compatibility > we'll be keeping this for the foreseeable future. Perhaps in the very > distant future a version bump might occur, but we're talking 5+