Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Floris van Essen ..:: House of Ancients Amstafs ::..
diana Onderwerp: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really??? Does anyone have anything beyond own impressions and war stories? Is anyone collecting statistics on storage solutions sold? Hans J. Albertsson >From my Nexus 5 Den 12 jan 2015 15:24 skrev &

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Jacob Ritorto
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Hans J Albertsson < hans.j.alberts...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for your views, the serial storage (tape mostly?) problem is news to > me but otherwise I concur. > While you can always "zfs send" the filesystem to a tape, it's "not recommended" to do this sort of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Jacob Ritorto
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Jonathan Adams wrote: > ZFS is the most advanced filesystem on the planet IMHO, we have been using > it for 10+ years in production. > +1 There is some fragmentation, Solaris 11 has an incompatible version of ZFS, > at least for now. > > In the same fashion as

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Schweiss, Chip wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Andrew Gabriel < illu...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: Since you mention Sun/Oracle, I don't see them pushing ZFS very much anymore, although I am aware their engineers still work on it. Oracle pushes ZFS hard and aggressively. I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Doug Hughes
Couple of points and counter points from my own experience. *) tape really isn't dead. No, really. at about $.01/GB/copy, and 1x10^20 bit error rate, you can't beat it. Use it for the right thing though. This excels as an offline archival media with media lifetimes expected at around 30 years. Cont

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Hans J Albertsson
Does anyone have anything beyond own impressions and war stories? Is anyone collecting statistics on storage solutions sold? Hans J. Albertsson >From my Nexus 5 Den 12 jan 2015 15:24 skrev "Schweiss, Chip" : > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Andrew Gabriel < > illu...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrot

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Schweiss, Chip
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Andrew Gabriel < illu...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > Since you mention Sun/Oracle, I don't see them pushing ZFS very much > anymore, although I am aware their engineers still work on it. > Oracle pushes ZFS hard and aggressively. I dare you to fill out thei

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Nexenta alone is probably around an Exabyte of licensed installations, and that's a mix of displaced traditional storage vendors, and new growth in old and new companies. There are many ZFS-based storage vendors in addition to Nexenta. The traditional 'big 8' storage vendors charged $9B for 9EB

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Jonathan Adams
most NAS systems that I've come across recently fall into 2 systems: 1) ZFS 2) Hardware RAID there don't appear to be any other alternatives out there, and for my money I wouldn't ever go back to hardware RAID, if the controller fails you can lose everything! We're not a Sun company, although we

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Hans J Albertsson
Thanks for your views, the serial storage (tape mostly?) problem is news to me but otherwise I concur. I was mostly asking about success and market presence, i e is ZFS being widely used in any non-Sun/Oracle part of the workplace? Hans J. Albertsson >From my Nexus 5 Den 12 jan 2015 12:38 skrev "

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Jonathan Adams
ZFS is the most advanced filesystem on the planet IMHO, we have been using it for 10+ years in production. There are reasons not to use it, but they are usually limitations not related to ZFS itself. We used to use tape backup for our old UFS systems, and it came as a shock when we couldn't use t

[OpenIndiana-discuss] A ZFS related question: How successful is ZFS, really???

2015-01-12 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I know FreeNAS has turned to ZFS only, OSv is ZFS only, and NAS Appliances running ZFS turn up in unexpected places, but is it really anything like an even half-baked "success", at least of sorts??? A "friend" (long time, extremely irritating acquantance) claims ZFS is a complete failure, and