Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana)
From: Dave Pooser [mailto:dave...@pooserville.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:22 PM Sans Digital makes one-- their part number TR4M6GNC, selling at NewEgg for $134.99. I'd never use one myself, because they seem to be a recipe for weird flakiness and I/O hangs, and ZFS does not deal

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Hans J Albertsson
från min Samsung Mobil Originalmeddelande Från: Saso Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com Datum: Till: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Rubrik: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD On 1/6/14, 1:31 PM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: Short out two pins?? Please

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana)
From: Hans J Albertsson [mailto:hans.j.alberts...@branneriet.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:01 AM I thought that might be what you were talking about, but I wanted to be sure. Shelf, fix icy box and PS, short pins by clips-and-wire and add som isolation for safe op? Can you suggest

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
actually, I am aware of the grounding issue. I currently have two separate single disk external enclosures connected via esata and an esata adapter on a PCI back cover plate right now. so you need to add one or two 2 or 4 way esata adapters to the icy box, too, and use esata cables. 5

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/7/14, 2:57 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: Because in SATA, you have to run a separate cable for every drive. Nope, SATA does have port multipliers, though I agree that beyond a certain point it becomes a mess. Cheers, -- Saso ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana)
From: Saso Kiselkov [mailto:skiselkov...@gmail.com] Nope, SATA does have port multipliers, though I agree that beyond a certain point it becomes a mess. Now that you mention it, when I look around, everything that I find called a SATA port multiplier is some sort of add-on card that takes

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-07 Thread Dave Pooser
On 1/7/14 11:15 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) openindi...@nedharvey.com wrote: The main point is, a port multiplier might be useful if it's *outside* your system. Supposing you have an external enclosure that holds 4 drives or something like that... You might say, I have SATA 6Gbit bus

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-06 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Short out two pins?? Please be specific! On 2014-01-04 00:06, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 1/3/14, 11:04 PM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: How do you power it?? There's no power supply so unless it can be fitted into a preexisting machine with a few spare Molex connectors, what do you do?? External

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-06 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/6/14, 1:31 PM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: Short out two pins?? Please be specific! Here you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/22 -- Saso ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-04 Thread Hans J Albertsson
Ok. Looks interesting! Skickat från min Samsung Mobil Originalmeddelande Från: Saso Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com Datum: Till: openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Rubrik: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD On 1/3/14, 11:04 PM, Hans J. Albertsson

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello Roman Naumenko, can you tell us your hardware config at the moment. I think thats the better way where we can give you some tips to expand your home storage for less Bucks and for peaceful sleep at night. On Januar, 01 2014, 22:11 Roman Naumenko wrote in [1]: Looking for cheap way of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 4:10 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Roman Naumenko said the following, on 01-01-14 4:11 PM: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most cost-effective. Now the question what card

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 2:44 PM, Paolo Aglialoro wrote: Hello, I recently received an HP MSA70 to test. It also allows cascaded config, which is a further point of interest. Has anyone already tried it with success and, especially, with which controller? Thanks I've been running cascaded MSA60s (which

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 12:13 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 03-01-14 5:47 AM: On 1/3/14, 4:10 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Roman Naumenko said the following, on 01-01-14 4:11 PM: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Laurent Blume
Le 2014/01/03 16:02 +0100, Roman Naumenko a écrit: Power is 200W, I can live with that. I'll be pedantic on this point, as I've researched it for my own little home NAS and checked with a power meter :-) 200W is the *max* power rating. The enclosure itself, with its couple of LEDs and fans,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 12:13 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 03-01-14 5:47 AM: So you'd rather pay $650 instead of $400 for the exact same 10TB instead? (i.e. 10x1TB ($65) vs. 5x2TB ($80)) Why are you so heavily focused on the number of

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 12:13 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 03-01-14 5:47 AM: So you'd rather pay $650 instead of $400 for the exact same 10TB instead? (i.e. 10x1TB ($65) vs. 5x2TB ($80)) Why are you so

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread David Scharbach
With raidz2 my system is speed limited by the network. It is 3.5 based cheepo drives. If you are going to run a bunch of vms on the system, then you may need the iops but for pure storage in the home, go with big 3.5 drives. With 3tb drives, you can get 9TB of double parity storage with 5

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to save money on entirely the wrong things. Get a few good high-capacity disks and a low-power enclosure and don't worry about buying a SAS HBA (or if you

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to save money on entirely the wrong things. Get a few good high-capacity disks and a low-power enclosure and don't

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 12:13 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 03-01-14 5:47 AM: On 1/3/14, 4:10 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Roman Naumenko said the following, on 01-01-14 4:11 PM: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to save money on entirely the wrong things. Get a few good high-capacity disks and a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to save money on entirely the wrong things. Get

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to save money

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 6:04 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message -

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Roman Naumenko
- Original Message - On 1/3/14, 6:04 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread David Scharbach
How does a 5 drive bay work over sas? Does it have an internal expander for the 5th drive?? -- David Scharbach Mine Senior Electrical Engineer PCS Cory Division On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Saso Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Laurent Blume
On 03/01/2014 18:46, Roman Naumenko wrote: Ok, thanks for this clarification. Its obvious that vendor provides max power consumption. Which box did you buy for you storage, MSAxx? (or is it just server with the disks). A basic no-brand SAS enclosure from span.com connected to an LSI 3801E

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread w...@vandenberge.us
I have a system built using the Xyratex RS-1220-E311-XPN-2 enclosures. These have twelve SAS/SATA slots, dual power supplies and one or two RS-SCM-E311-XPN-1220 6Mb/s SAS expander/controllers. Just add an LSI 9200-8e (or equivalent) and an SFF8088-SFF8088 cable and you're in business. They've been

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 8:12 PM, David Scharbach wrote: How does a 5 drive bay work over sas? Does it have an internal expander for the 5th drive?? Well, speaking about expanders, you can attach any number of drives off of them, not just some nice multiple of 4 :) but this particular box doesn't have an

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
On 2014-01-03 18:53, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - Overall I think you're trying to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-03 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/3/14, 11:04 PM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: On 2014-01-03 18:53, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 1/3/14, 5:52 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 5:43 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original Message - On 1/3/14, 3:14 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: - Original

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana)
From: Roman Naumenko [mailto:ro...@naumenko.ca] I don't know if even 2TB will fill fast enough to justifying any investment into storage expansion. I don't get that comment. Speaking about storage expansion, even HBA cards are dirt cheap, pricing on enclosures with integrated SAS

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/2/14, 2:28 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: cjt said the following, on 01-01-14 7:14 PM: On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread David Scharbach
Supermicro may bit a bit overkill for the home server :) Although I have considered it for myself at home… We used them where I used to work and they are pretty nice for the money. For myself, I opted to go with the Norco 4220, a Tyan MB with an integral LSI-2008 based HBA, LSI based intel

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/2/14, 6:53 PM, David Scharbach wrote: Supermicro may bit a bit overkill for the home server :) Oops, missed that it's a home machine. Yeah, then it's totally overkill. For home usage a small pass-thru JBOD is totally sufficient: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-036-BT

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Actually, it might be even easier to have a few external single disk chassis, like ICY BOX IB-351StU3S-B. Deltaco makes a few and there are others. You put a sata-esata adapter in your server and hook up as many external boxes as you need. If you have a rack mount 1U server at home (many do

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Roman Naumenko
Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 02-01-14 9:49 AM: On 1/2/14, 2:28 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: cjt said the following, on 01-01-14 7:14 PM: On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Roman Naumenko
David Scharbach said the following, on 02-01-14 1:53 PM: Supermicro may bit a bit overkill for the home server :) Although I have considered it for myself at home… We used them where I used to work and they are pretty nice for the money. For myself, I opted to go with the Norco 4220, a Tyan

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/2/14, 11:15 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 02-01-14 9:49 AM: On 1/2/14, 2:28 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: cjt said the following, on 01-01-14 7:14 PM: On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Roman Naumenko
Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 02-01-14 6:26 PM: On 1/2/14, 11:15 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 02-01-14 9:49 AM: On 1/2/14, 2:28 AM, Roman Naumenko wrote: cjt said the following, on 01-01-14 7:14 PM: On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Roman Naumenko
Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) said the following, on 02-01-14 8:33 AM: From: Roman Naumenko [mailto:ro...@naumenko.ca] I don't know if even 2TB will fill fast enough to justifying any investment into storage expansion. I don't get that comment. I don't need crazy amount of space nor

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread David Scharbach
I use the on board LSI-SAS2008 card on the Tyan S5512WGM2NR motherboard. I do not think they make it any more but it works great. If did have a Supermicro AOC-USAS2-L8I UIO card. It is easily adapted to a standard case, just a couple motherboard standoffs and a card bracket from a normal

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-02 Thread Roman Naumenko
Roman Naumenko said the following, on 01-01-14 4:11 PM: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most cost-effective. Now the question what card with 8088 to stick in the server. Will this

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-01 Thread Roman Naumenko
Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most cost-effective. Now the question what card with 8088 to stick in the server. Will this one work?

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-01 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most cost-effective. Now the question what card with 8088 to stick in the server. Will this one work?

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-01 Thread Roman Naumenko
Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most cost-effective. Now the question what card with

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-01 Thread cjt
On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5. jbod (12 bay are 400$) with SFF-8088 is most

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Expanding storage with JBOD

2014-01-01 Thread Roman Naumenko
cjt said the following, on 01-01-14 7:14 PM: On 01/01/2014 04:23 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Saso Kiselkov said the following, on 01-01-14 4:30 PM: On 1/1/14, 9:11 PM, Roman Naumenko wrote: Hello, Looking for cheap way of expanding current home storage server running on openindiana 151_a5.