Who cares who can sue who,
Well, the problem is here how do we market OpenIndiana and all this open
source software effectively, how do we grow the community in a positive
meaningful way. How to we make OpenIndiana & Illumos viable alternatives and
brands that people can trust.
The 33 people who l
not that my $0.02 is worth much, but Illumos and OpenIndiana, although
connected are separate entities.
If you compare this to Linux, Illumos is the kernel and OpenIndiana is
a distribution.
Additionally, OpenIndiana was set up to be a server distribution with
emphasis on apps needed to get the s
Thanks for the clarification.
I am very new to both projects.
A desktop/laptop version of OpenIndiana would a good place to start
esspecially for college and university students.
Perhaps it should target network and development this would expose us to new
upcoming generation of UNIX users.
There a
* Jonathan Adams [2010-11-04 15:11]:
> not that my $0.02 is worth much, but Illumos and OpenIndiana, although
> connected are separate entities.
>
> If you compare this to Linux, Illumos is the kernel and OpenIndiana is
> a distribution.
>
> Additionally, OpenIndiana was set up to be a server di
I think Guido, our friend Jonathan means that not unlike alot of other
distrobutions of UNIX-like
operating systems, it might be a good idea to create a Desktop and A server
version.
This is not a horrible idea, like the fedora/Redhat projects respectively.
However the SXDE/Solaris model function
http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Frequently+Asked+Questions#FrequentlyAskedQuestions-IsOpenIndianaadesktoporaserveroperatingsystem%3F
"Is OpenIndiana a desktop or a server operating system?
As a clone of OpenSolaris, the answer is both: OpenIndiana will be a
general-purpose operating system. Howeve
No you are correct, I've read it already.
This model worked for Redhat before it was split into 2 separate projects. I
figured why not skip a step.
On 4 November 2010 10:50, Jonathan Adams wrote:
>
> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Frequently+Asked+Questions#FrequentlyAskedQuestions-IsOpenIndian
Hello,
please stop top-posting and quote accordingly.
* Nathan Evans [2010-11-04 15:44]:
> I think Guido, our friend Jonathan means that not unlike alot of other
> distrobutions of UNIX-like
> operating systems, it might be a good idea to create a Desktop and A server
> version.
>
> This is not
You could probably make a list of features that were only in OpenSolaris
and now in OpenIndiana that people must have. On any list at one time it
would of been ZFS and for some it still has a big place in the
community.
I see your task is possible but I see a few concerns and would counter
wit
On 11/04/10 12:04, Rthoreau wrote:
You could probably make a list of features that were only in OpenSolaris
and now in OpenIndiana that people must have. On any list at one time it
would of been ZFS and for some it still has a big place in the
community.
Wouldn't robustness count? Solaris, on
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Rthoreau wrote:
>
>
> You could probably make a list of features that were only in OpenSolaris
> and now in OpenIndiana that people must have. On any list at one time it
> would of been ZFS and for some it still has a big place in the
> community.
>
> I see your
On Thursday, 4 November, 2010 14:38, "Frank Middleton"
said:
> at least now with ZFS - no more fsck). RHel, Fedora, Ubuntu, and
> MSx are much more likely to fail - a few weeks of uptime is
> enough to merit a celebration. I can't vouch for BSD but I doubt
Speak for yourself -- the only tim
On 11/04/10 17:42, Kevin J. Woolley wrote:
Speak for yourself -- the only times I have to reboot are for kernel
upgrades. Those don't happen too often (save for recently, with some
issues needing patches) -- I regularly have machines with six-month
and better uptimes.
Well, it could be hardwar
On Thursday, 4 November, 2010 16:02, "Frank Middleton"
said:
> Well, it could be hardware too. But for whatever reason - memory leaks,
You'd be surprised at the hardware I run it on -- old and grungy are the orders
of the day for a great many of my systems. My primary point is that the
succe
I think this is a very important conversation to have (and that is why
I have been lurking all day).
To me OI/OS/Solaris's major advantage is the uptime and predictability
(when I sit down at a sol10 derivative I know what to expect, and you
can expect me to type 'bash'), and ZFS. Out of tho
On Thursday, 4 November, 2010 17:17, "Daniel Kjar" said:
> can expect me to type 'bash'), and ZFS. Out of those three I would say
> #1 ZFS, #2 Uptime, #3 predictability.
Predictability is a big one for me. It's particularly important when you deal
with multiple Unix versions all day.
> So to
On 5/11/10 10:17 AM, Daniel Kjar wrote:
I think this is a very important conversation to have (and that is
why I have been lurking all day).
To me OI/OS/Solaris's major advantage is the uptime and
predictability (when I sit down at a sol10 derivative I know what to
expect, and you can expect m
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* Jonathan Adams [2010-11-04 15:11]:
> not that my $0.02 is worth much, but Illumos and OpenIndiana, although
> connected are separate entities.
>
> If y
I agree 100 and 10 percent. I have been trying to update my development
box on bionic mutton for weeks but my College has some kind of nut job
firewall that sees one QT package from bionic as a trojan. I know
moving KDE into the OI pkg server won't change that but I can still
dream! (and the
I am there with you too. I followed the instructions to set up my own
pkg repository on an OI box, worked great and all the spec files are
there. Now I just need to figure out what a spec file is and how to
make a working install of R and R commander turn into a package for OI.
I believe the
On Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:11 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:
not that my $0.02 is worth much, but Illumos and OpenIndiana, although
connected are separate entities.
If you compare this to Linux, Illumos is the kernel and OpenIndiana is
a distribution.
If we were planning on having a stable,
On Friday, November 05, 2010 12:04 AM, Rthoreau wrote:
You could probably make a list of features that were only in OpenSolaris
and now in OpenIndiana that people must have. On any list at one time it
would of been ZFS and for some it still has a big place in the
community.
I see your task is
On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Allan E. Registos wrote:
>> No, OpenIndiana both targets Desktops and Server
>
>
> That is what most GNU/Linux distributions have done since the dawn of time.
> But the recent(well not quite recent) spat between Ingo Molnar and Con
> Kolivas (Linux kernel develope
On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:41 PM, "Kevin J. Woolley" wrote:
> CentOS and other enterprise-grade Linuxes also upgrade well among minor
> releases, but need to be re-installed to go to the next major release. Those
> release cycles are suitably long that I'd argue the net effect is negligible.
I have o
Hi,
I have a few servers running hardened Gentoo, and I feel terribly excited
with DragonflyBSD, I was administering a purely mac enviroment for quite
some time...
But I run opensolaris seamlessly from my 2 racks, untill my travel netbook
(including my office). According to my taste it is a hell
Not so desktop issues are; you need more memory than average, and I prefer
to use good gear on desktops as well, not the typical Dell office stuff-
Cheers
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Gabriel de la Cruz <
gabriel.delac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a few servers running hardened Gent
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> I'd be curious to learn how many admins feel this is an important
feature since my server OS upgrade cycles tend to coincide with hardware
upgrades & in that case it's more work to try to preserve an exact
replica of the old system
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Gary Driggs wrote:
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Allan E. Registos wrote:
>> No, OpenIndiana both targets Desktops and Server
>
>
> That is what most GNU/Linux distributions have done since the dawn of
time.
This is what Solaris (and IRIX, and other UNIXs) have done since,
well, as long as I've been
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Kevin J. Woolley wrote:
> Yup, I've drooled over Sun's big iron for years. :)
>
I have some clustered M9000s here which I'm arguing about getting some
domains on for some OI development. Not looking too likely, but
there's a 15k which looks like it'll
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Paul Johnston wrote:
>
> Please don't take this as trying to cause a flame war :-)
>
> I've never really understood this, is it because of something inherent
> in SPARC (RISC) or just they are built better?
> If you get well made x86 gear will it last
> Case in point - SF15K I'm working on which was bought with UltraSPARC
> III CPUs, had some faster ones put in, then some UltraSPARC IVs, then
> some faster ones of those, and then some UltraSPARC T2s. All without
> downtime, ending up with domains which have different speeds
> UltraSPARC IVs in t
It is really good to see all this discussion and speculation about OI and
Illumos.
I have yet to see anybody flame somebody over an opinion or statement.
Most of the statements have been thoughtful, well informed, and well
supported arguments.
Wonderful example of a strong opensource community.
_
Well, yes there are flames, and witches burned alive, but we are learning to
behave. ;-D hopefully,
Nice thread
Love
Gab
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Nathan Evans wrote:
> It is really good to see all this discussion and speculation about OI and
> Illumos.
> I have yet to see anybody flame s
I picked up my v40z for 600... 4x2.8 ghz dual cores and 32gbs of
ram... drool...
Not to Mention cheap if you buy off lease or EOL systems.
I bought a SunFire v210 1u for my house for $500cdn on ebay, runs like a
trooper.
Only 2 gigs or ram though l'll need to buy more.
> Well, yes there are flames, and witches burned alive, but we are learning
> to
> behave. ;-D hopefully,
>
Larry Ellison is not a witch at least I don't think so.
> Nice thread
>
Thanks!
> Love
> Gab
I'm married, and i don't know you that well, so I'll just say nice to met
you?
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I mean the burning each other... sorry comments gets wild :-D
Cheers
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Nathan Evans wrote:
> > Well, yes there are flames, and witches burned alive, but we are learning
> > to
> > behave. ;-D hopefully,
> >
>
> Larry Ellison is not a witch at least I don't think
> I mean the burning each other... sorry comments gets wild :-D
>
j/k
lol
> Cheers
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Nathan Evans >wrote:
>
>
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Tom Kranz writes:
> Allan E. Registos wrote:
>>> No, OpenIndiana both targets Desktops and Server
>>
>>
>> That is what most GNU/Linux distributions have done since the dawn of
> time.
> This is what Solaris (and IRIX, and other UNIXs) have done since,
> well, as long as I've been playing with th
Christopher Chan wrote:
> Ubuntu is currently one big mess and their LTS release policies are
> laughable. Yeah, I have a stable version of Pidgin but it did not do
> Yahoo anymore on Hardy well before Lucid got released.
*/Starting ubuntu part../
Hi,
I also used to use ubuntu Hardy and I used Get
On 5 November 2010 13:05, Nikola M wrote:
> Christopher Chan wrote:
> > Ubuntu is currently one big mess and their LTS release policies are
> > laughable. Yeah, I have a stable version of Pidgin but it did not do
> > Yahoo anymore on Hardy well before Lucid got released.
> */Starting ubuntu part.
Well, as an example gentoo does not separate the distros, you select a
system profile (server, desktop, hardened...), and the system masks packages
depending on that profile and ensure dependency checks... If the user needs
to fetch a package that is masked (lets say instaling a desktop package on
t;Tom Kranz"
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Allan E. Registos wrote:
>> No, OpenIndiana both t
roadmap and a new problem. How can I run zimbra
on OI box. :)
Thank you folks,
Allan
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On 5 November 2010 13:05, Nikola M wrote:
> Christopher Chan wro
On Friday, 5 November, 2010 20:46, "Allan E. Registos"
said:
> The reason is peripheral support. For packages, they have backport repos
> if you want to install the latest apps w/o breaking the core. If you compile
> packages from obscure sources, of course there is dependency hell.
> Some ISV w
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