Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-18 Thread David Halko
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com wrote: From: James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Reginald Beardsley
In chasing the Firefox/Java issue, I happened to look at the symlinks in /usr. I'm rather disturbed by what I find. There are 15715 in my installation of oi_151a. I *might* have created a couple, though it's unlikely as I don't generally do that. I usually put such things in

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 17/10/2012 16:50, Reginald Beardsley wrote: In chasing the Firefox/Java issue, I happened to look at the symlinks in /usr. I'm rather disturbed by what I find. There are 15715 in my installation of oi_151a. ... Yes, it is painful to force people to fix their scripts, but in the end,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, Udo Grabowski (IMK) udo.grabow...@kit.edu wrote: From: Udo Grabowski (IMK) udo.grabow...@kit.edu Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, Udo Grabowski (IMK) udo.grabow...@kit.edu wrote: When you have a big bunch of users and tell them Hey, tomorrow we upgrade, and then you can't work for a while because your scripts and programs will surely break (esp. those of people no longer in the institute), so

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread James Carlson
Reginald Beardsley wrote: I'm a geoscientist and have spent most of my career working for big oil as in majors and super majors. Those certainly qualify as large sites and are a lot bigger than any academic institute I know of. So I'm acutely aware of the issues and what things work and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 10/17/12 08:54 PM, Roel_D wrote: Ok guys, Shake hands. If you continue this discussion we will have a nasty not so symbolic link between you two. :-) -- Dr.Udo GrabowskiInst.f.Meteorology a.Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT www-imk.fzk.de/asf/sat/grabowski/

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com wrote: From: James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, October 17

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 10/17/12 11:21 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: --- On Wed, 10/17/12, James Carlson carls...@workingcode.com wrote: ... Intentionally introduced set of links that aid in compatibility and that are put in place by the designer of the system (and that hopefully disappear at some point in the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, Reginald Beardsley wrote: We have similar silliness w/ /usr/X11 being a tree of links pointing to /usr. Again, setting the default PATH properly in the system files is much cleaner. Many paths are already burned into software on existing CD/DVDs or used as default

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Reginald Beardsley
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: From: Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Tribble
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Reginald Beardsley pulask...@yahoo.com wrote: So *when* do they disappear? That's the question I'm raising. What are criteria for acceptable links? Why are user site level customizations cluttering a general distribution image? I'm concerned about the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr

2012-10-17 Thread Gregory S. Youngblood
) udo.grabow...@kit.edu Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Namespace management and symlinks in /usr To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 10:11 AM On 17/10/2012 16:50, Reginald Beardsley wrote: In chasing the Firefox/Java