Okay this thread is about what to do with javafx jmx plugin. How does that even relate to whether oracle is using javafx internally?
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 7:52 PM Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with it. > > Do you actually realise how much of the entire JMC is written using > JavaFX? (Not to mention what percentage of Java developers even know about > or use JMC). > > Please check and then feel free to respond and enlighten us all with your > findings. 100%? At least 90% surely? Hmm... > > And, if there are actually any *other* "vestiges" of JavaFX usage within > Oracle, I would be delighted to hear about them! > > In fact, I am confident the entire JavaFX community would absolutely love > to hear that it's obviously being used in hundreds of internal > applications (especially with Oracle being such a huge Java-focused > company). I mean it is the "standard" way of building GUI applications > with Java right? So of course they would have no reason whatsoever to not > base their entire internal software product suite on this advanced and > clearly well supported technology. > > And throw in the dozens of commercial JavaFX offerings from Oracle and... > > > On 10 Jun 2016, at 21:01, Tom Schindl <tom.schi...@bestsolution.at> > wrote: > > > > What has the removal of JMX for JavaFX todo with Oracle using JavaFX > > themselves? > > > > There are projects at Oracle who for sure do use JavaFX and one of them > > is installed in your JDK! It's Java-Mission-Control. > > > > Tom > > > >> On 10.06.16 12:46, Felix Bembrick wrote: > >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question. > >> > >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs > on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around? > >> > >> No? > >> > >> Well I bet Apple employees do! > >> > >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by > https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults > showing 0 results. > >>> > >>> cheers, > >>> dalibor topic > >>> > >>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote: > >>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a > >>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in > >>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to > JDK > >>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8. > >>>> > >>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug > >>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar > >>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to > >>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9. > >>>> > >>>> Our options are: > >>>> > >>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support > >>>> > >>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use > would > >>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses > >>>> internal packages > >>>> > >>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be > >>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with > -addmods. > >>>> > >>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it > isn't > >>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need > to > >>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving > >>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, > so > >>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and > >>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem. > >>>> > >>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will > deprecate > >>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release. > >>>> > >>>> -- Kevin > >>> > >>> -- > >>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > >>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 > >>> <tel:+491737185961> > >>> > >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > >>> > >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > >>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München > >>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 > >>> > >>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > >>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > >>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > >>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > >>> > >>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing > >>> practices and products that help protect the environment > > > > > > -- > > Thomas Schindl, CTO > > BestSolution.at EDV Systemhaus GmbH > > Eduard-Bodem-Gasse 5-7, A-6020 Innsbruck > > http://www.bestsolution.at/ > > Reg. Nr. FN 222302s am Firmenbuchgericht Innsbruck > -- Cheers, Ranie Jade Ramiso Software Engineer w: http://polymorphicpanda.io
