Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-08-07 Thread Daniel Zwolenski
How did you go with using Maven for your iOS stuff Tobi? Did it work out for you? Has anyone else had a chance to get into it? I was hoping for more feedback on what works and what doesn't. Also hoping to see some open source demo iOS apps popup to start highlighting what works and what doesn't

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-08-07 Thread Tobias Bley
Yes Felix, it *has* to be this year…. We do not port our swing based commercial apps if JavaFX does not run on tablets as well. Am 30.07.2013 um 21:06 schrieb Felix Bembrick : > Hi Tobi, > > I know how you feel. As much as I am impressed with JavaFX, clearly its > long-term survival does d

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Schindl
Hi, Like advertised I've now the first thing to show off. Part of our nightly e(fx)clipse build we generate a *self-contained* FXML-Compiler jar which anyone interested can download from [1]. We currently provide an ant-integration (I'm not 100% happy on how I make sure the appropriate classpath

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-08-01 Thread Gaja Sutra
Depending of security requirements on the deployed code (like in an application not loading untrusted code), an hammer method can be useful: relaxing access rights on @FXML-annotated fields and methods to allow public access. It would need a preprocessing of application bytecode to change thes

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Schindl
Hi, If you want to take a look at the sources, they are available at http://git.eclipse.org/c/efxclipse/org.eclipse.efxclipse.git/tree/bundles/tooling/org.eclipse.fx.ide.fxml.compiler. Code is written in xtend - don't judge the code yet, I simply want something going. The process of the conversio

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Danno Ferrin
Where is the code base for this converter? Done properly it can also be written to spit out the generated stubs, as well as output in any language the user may prefer. A top grade implementation could integrate with FXMLLoader for a seamless experience ala .bss files. On Tuesday, July 30, 2013,

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Gaja Sutra
Have you decided, how you will make the bridge near the current FXMLLoader class. Particularly, will it be understandable by Proguard for better inlining and further reduce bytecode? Example: if a specific FXML is only loaded in one method of an application, all the FXMLLoader code can theoret

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Tom Schindl
It will spit out a .java-Class which you run through javac and get bytecode - for robovm this is going to be completely transparent because it gets a java-class file. Tom On 31.07.13 09:57, Niklas Therning wrote: > Will this converter be able to precompile embedded JavaScript? That > would be ver

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Tom Schindl
jfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Mailing > Subject: Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream > > I don't think it is a good idea to use fxml on embedded and mobile, we are > working on a fxml => java converter so you can add it to your build process. > > Tom > > Von me

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Niklas Therning
Will this converter be able to precompile embedded JavaScript? That would be very cool. If I remember correctly Rhino can compile JS to bytecode AOT. RoboVM would then be able to compile that bytecode to machine code. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Tom Schindl wrote: > I don't think it is a go

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread Tom Eugelink
3 16:29 To: Niklas Therning Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Mailing Subject: Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream I don't think it is a good idea to use fxml on embedded and mobile, we are working on a fxml => java converter so you can add it to your build process. Tom Von meinem i

RE: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-31 Thread John C. Turnbull
Mailing Subject: Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream I don't think it is a good idea to use fxml on embedded and mobile, we are working on a fxml => java converter so you can add it to your build process. Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 31.07.2013 um 08:11 schrieb Niklas

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-30 Thread Tom Schindl
I don't think it is a good idea to use fxml on embedded and mobile, we are working on a fxml => java converter so you can add it to your build process. Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 31.07.2013 um 08:11 schrieb Niklas Therning : after many days trying to really build iOS apps with Java

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-30 Thread Niklas Therning
> > > after many days trying to really build iOS apps with JavaFX and RoboVM > or > > > Avian I’m very frustrated because of the following things: > > > > > > Based on RoboVM, JavaFX on iOS runs unacceptable slow - I don’t know > the > > > reason - maybe it’s the rendering model of JavaFX - maybe i

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-30 Thread Rick Walker
I agree, our customers want and need tablet/mobile solutions to complement our desktop offering. The current "give it a shot, good luck, let us know how it goes" approach is not the way to advance JavaFX in the mobile space. Rick On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Felix Bembrick wrote: > Hi Tobi,

Re: JavaFX and iOS - it will remain a dream

2013-07-30 Thread Felix Bembrick
Hi Tobi, I know how you feel. As much as I am impressed with JavaFX, clearly its long-term survival does depend on it being viable on mobiles and tablets. All I can say is don't give up yet. I am certainly not giving up. I really hope we see something at JavaOne this year that will please us a