Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread Kevin Rushforth
That seems like a very workable model to me. -- Kevin On 9/21/2018 12:56 PM, Johan Vos wrote: Adding to #2: what we try to do with gluon is increasing adoption, allow free development and usage, while still getting revenues to fund the development. All builds created for the latest version of

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread Johan Vos
Adding to #2: what we try to do with gluon is increasing adoption, allow free development and usage, while still getting revenues to fund the development. All builds created for the latest version of JavaFX are free to use (GPL + CPE) for private and commercial usage. With the Gluon JavaFX Enterpr

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread Kevin Rushforth
I note that this isn't really the right forum for discussing the cost or support model of JavaFX, but since the question has come up, I'll add my 2 cents. The notion of requiring commercial vendors to pay to use the latest feature release of JavaFX is impractical at best. As a community-driven

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread javafx
Well a technical enforcement mechanism is impractical, it's true. What would be involved is a commercial license- an electronic thing like the agreement you clicked on when you downloaded the JDK from Oracle. For people using it commercially, you just make a payment through the usual payment pr

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread Scott Palmer
I would focus on bug-free functionality and *performance* over new features. Layout and CSS issues still seem to have a significant drag on JavaFX rendering. Much of the new features I want are somewhat motivated by performance anyway. E.g. getting native window handles… to handle performance i

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread javafx
Two items  for us 1) focus on bug-free functionality over new features.  2) require a U.S. $50.00 a year fee per corporate entity for commercial application usage. This is very reasonable and  would finally secure JavaFX's future as a development platform.   I feel without 2) above we will fi

答复: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread a1032453509
Well, it is happy hear that JavaFX perform well in embedded, my original intention isn’t condemn this video, just for an example, though it is little ridiculous.. 发件人: John-Val Rose 发送时间: 2018年9月21日 17:52 收件人: Johan Vos 抄送: a1032453...@163.com; openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net 主题: Re: Talk about

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread John-Val Rose
That video is typical marketing “smoke and mirrors”. With no access to the code of either app, it is simply unfair and disingenuous to claim a performance advantage. I am certain I could post an almost identical comparison video where the results would be the complete opposite. Yeah, good prog

Re: Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-21 Thread Johan Vos
> > We can't defeat QT in performance, but we can defeat it at applicability > and just don't get too far behind QT in performance. (bad example > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh6K-yEp_JY) > That video demonstrates the creator has absolutely no development skills in Java, or he intentionally mi

Talk about OPENJFX's future

2018-09-20 Thread a1032453509
First, I call JavaFX/OpenJFX JFX here. I'm not an expert at JFX, I just read half of a book about JFX and be amazed by it. Then I began to take some attention to JFX and be interested in it. JFX is separated from JDK, well the news sound not so bad actually. The fact is JFX isn't well-known,