Re: [Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Ralf Haifisch
Exactly, this and means to identify the creator - even using hypergrid. -- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:48:57 -0700 From: Dahlia Trimble Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles To: mike.dick...@hp.com, opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Message-ID:

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Frisby, Adam wrote: > Well, you /could/ use hashing to define the license text, but honestly? A URI > works better. Really, just making it complicated in order to have a UUID > really isn't ideal. > thought more - and my hashing idea was pretty bad in a sense th

Re: [Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Dahlia Trimble
I don't think anyone is suggesting that OpenSim core should mandate any licensing scenario, but rather should OpenSim provide any hooks necessary for content creators to specify asset-specific licenses beyond Copy/Mod/Transfer. Whether those hooks are functional and whatever defaults are in place w

Re: [Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Mike Dickson
If as a creator I want to add a notecard to my object indicating the licensing terms I want to apply when someone has a copy of or rez's my object I'm free to do so. Heck I could even get fancy and script it asking for a click-through menu response or something. I'm not against licensing of objec

[Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Ralf Haifisch
Dear all, i while ago i went over the legal side of many aspects with 2 lawyer. Since this is a multinational question and in many cases has not exampels (e.g. no judgments by court) it tends to be a discussion based on personal flavor, but not legal facts. And yes, maybe there is enough mud for

Re: [Opensim-dev] Adding scripts to SceneObjectPart

2009-03-31 Thread Teravus Ovares
And there you have the answer Daniel. Send client your avatar's UUID as the owner for that script, if you want to be able to read the script. At least for now, this'll work. Sincerely Teravus On 3/31/09, Melanie wrote: > There was a hack like that, done for IBM at one time. After IBM were >

Re: [Opensim-dev] Adding scripts to SceneObjectPart

2009-03-31 Thread Melanie
There was a hack like that, done for IBM at one time. After IBM were done with that, it was removed in a code cleanup. Right clicking a script will not give you an "open" menu entry unless you're the owner. The hack was to fudge the owner inside the task inventory file to make the person clickin

Re: [Opensim-dev] Grider: a client for the secure HyperGrid

2009-03-31 Thread Diva Canto
I think the rex viewer is a derivative of a very old version of the Linden viewer. Specifically, it doesn't have EventQueues. Grider only works with LL-based viewers 1.21 and higher. (I should probably say that somewhere) Thanks for testing! Gustavo Alberto Navarro Bilbao wrote: Cristina: I

Re: [Opensim-dev] Grider: a client for the secure HyperGrid

2009-03-31 Thread Gustavo Alberto Navarro Bilbao
Cristina: I tryied to asign my realXtend viewer but it doesn't work. The viewer left waiting and I must to shutdown. With the others viewers (LL and Hippo) works fine. *** 2009/3/31 Gustavo Alberto Navarro Bilbao : > +1/+1/+1/+1...

Re: [Opensim-dev] Updated: OpenSim profiling on ScienceSim wiki

2009-03-31 Thread Salahzar Stenvaag
Hi, just a small 5 cent idea on scripting performances. Maybe this is really stupid, just brainstorming. If I understood correctly state must be prevented for some critical scripts (probably just 3-4 in a sim), but if the overload of doing it for every other 4000 pieces of scripts just switchin

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Mike Dickson
+1, strongly agree. How content is handled is largely IMO an issue of the TOS extended by the grid owner. OpenSIM should provide a robust permissions system to allow content creators to manage access to resources inside a grid but how something leaves or moves across a grid is tied to the TOS for

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Colin B. Withers
Won't this also force grids to do what SL do and forbid users to transfer their accounts/log in details to someone else (and hence all their inventory)? Why do I get the feeling that we are starting to wade in mud? Can't all the issues of permissions, i.e. the three future (next owner) permissi

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Michael Cortez
Frisby, Adam wrote: > I suggest using a URI here for the licenses, with major license links hosted > at sites owned by major organisations unlikely to go down (CC, FSF, etc). > > For plain SL-viewers, perhaps we could show the licenses as the 'description' > of the inventory item or something? (m

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Michael Cortez
Tom Willans wrote: > Who are you giving permissions to the Avatar or the owner of the Avatar? This is the rudimentary issue at the bottom of this, and is IMHO the cause of most of the confusion. You can't make a legal agreement with an Avatar -- in all likelyhood, the only legal standings an ava

Re: [Opensim-dev] Adding scripts to SceneObjectPart

2009-03-31 Thread Teravus Ovares
It seems kind of strange for you to say this because it has, in the past allowed anyone to see the script and change it. This is purely a permissions module thing. The evidence contradicts what you're saying. Sincerely Teravus On 3/31/09, Melanie wrote: > I'm sorry to contradict you. That i

Re: [Opensim-dev] Adding scripts to SceneObjectPart

2009-03-31 Thread Melanie
I'm sorry to contradict you. That is a viewer limitation. It would take wuite extensive changes to core to be able to fake it to the viewer to make every authorized user seem the owner to the viewer. It just won't show the option unless you are owner... Melanie Teravus Ovares wrote: > I think

Re: [Opensim-dev] Adding scripts to SceneObjectPart

2009-03-31 Thread Teravus Ovares
I think what Melanie means is, it isn't possible without tweaking the permissions module.This is OpenSource :).There isn't really a 'can't'. Sincerely Teravus On 3/30/09, Melanie wrote: > Only the owner can view script source. Making a script viewable for > anyone is not possible. I bel

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Tom Willans
Something needs to be done and having a mechanism to provide a consistent identify across worlds needs to be part of the solution. By default creators have all rights reserved copyright to their own creations, without having to explicitly declare it. Having a creative commons licence by de

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Frisby, Adam
Well, you /could/ use hashing to define the license text, but honestly? A URI works better. Really, just making it complicated in order to have a UUID really isn't ideal. OpenSim can internally download from a URI and present to the user as a notecard if we wanted, we're not really forced into

Re: [Opensim-dev] Legal Issues was RFC Profiles

2009-03-31 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko
My 1.5 eurocents: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Frisby, Adam wrote: > I suggest using a URI here for the licenses, with major license links hosted > at sites owned by major organisations unlikely to go down (CC, FSF, etc). Watching the discussion, I thought having a "License library set" of