Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously; FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, GNU/Linux, and many others all provide a better /bin/sh... what we really need is a way for users to change their own shells without root privileges in /etc/passwd I would call this a bug in passwd(1).

[osol-discuss] problem after enabling extendedFILE descriptor

2008-02-07 Thread Bhalchandra Deshmukh
Hi, I am facing problem after installing patches required to enable extended FILE facility on Solaris 10 OS. After setting the environment variable LD_PRELOAD_32=/usr/lib/extendedFILE.so.1, I am not able to run any 32-bit application including a simple ls command. The error I am getting is as

Re: [osol-discuss] problem after enabling extendedFILE descriptor

2008-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
Hi, I am facing problem after installing patches required to enable extended FILE facility on Solaris 10 OS. After setting the environment variable LD_PRELOAD_32=/usr/lib/extendedFILE.so.1, I am not able to run any 32-bit application including a simple ls command. The error I am getting is as

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bruno Jargot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every reasonable Unix platform (except S(ch)illyX maybe) has started to move it's implementation of /bin/sh towards the POSIX standard. How long can Opensolaris ignore this? 1) What is reasonable? 2) If you believe /bin/sh is affected by the

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: POSIX does not deal with path names and thus does not require that /bin/sh is POSIX compliant. Backwards compatibility requiers that /bin/sh remains the Bourne Shel= l. But we're free to change root's shell to /bin/ksh93 Of course ;-) My proposal is to give two

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tools are available for you to find the bugs if you want to see them. It took me all of a few moments to put together these searches:

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread UNIX admin
Solaris still exists because it still has an own identity. If you give this up in favor of Linux, people will just use Linux and you are lost. Right. No point in using a copycat OS, even if it is a very expensive copy. Might as well go for the original in that case, and just use Linux.

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A modern shell, such as ksh93, has functionality and locale support that is near equivalent or superior to bash. Are you talking about the report against /bin/sh that claims a bug because /bin/sh _has_ locale support but bash has not? Jörg --

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7) Continues to cause issues for users and developers when dealing with multiple systems 1-6 are easily solved with changing root's default shell. 7, unfortunately, is not as it requires replacing /bin/sh with /bin/bash and that, I think, it something few would be

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Chris Linton-Ford
fwiw; # uname -s OpenBSD # crontab -l|grep -i shell SHELL=/bin/sh # grep ^root /etc/passwd |cut -d : -f 1,7 root:/bin/ksh # uname -a OpenBSD wiggum.firebox.com 4.2 GENERIC#375 i386 # md5 /bin/sh MD5 (/bin/sh) = 266304e942a721b73f0c226681a3209d # md5 /bin/ksh MD5 (/bin/ksh) =

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
furthermore: # /bin/sh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a # /bin/ksh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a ( FAO Mr Carlson :) ) It's ksh but not as we know it, Jim. /bin/ksh93 -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' (I.e., it's the same shell but it doesn't behave like ksh

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: furthermore: # /bin/sh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a # /bin/ksh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a ( FAO Mr Carlson :) ) It's ksh but not as we know it, Jim. /bin/ksh93 -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' (I.e., it's the same

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
On Feb 7, 2008 7:41 AM, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously; FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, GNU/Linux, and many others all provide a better /bin/sh... what we really need is a way for users to change their own shells

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Chris Linton-Ford
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 06:08 -0800, Roman Morokutti wrote: Hi, I am stuck on how to patch an install image which is currently an ISO-image with bits that support a ZFS root. The problem is that after mounting the ISO-file the mount directory is read-only. Every attempt to make it writable

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Kyle McDonald
Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 4:14 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:18 PM, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and as far as the

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Sean Sprague
David, You could try a program called isomaster As a Solaris X86 Evangelist, you suggest a program that is only currently available for Linux and Windows? Very poor indeed IMO. Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:53:04 -0600 Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 12:42 PM, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they have, and what's why it needs to be changed :) Oh wait...you were talking about Solaris ;) I think this is too harsh. If you were working on

Re: [osol-discuss] zfs send/receive between different releases

2008-02-07 Thread Mike DeMarco
I am able to send from version 8 zfs to version 10. no complaints. Hello everybody, I'm thinking of building out a second machine as a backup for our mail spool where I push out regular filesystem snapshots, something like a warm/hot spare situation. Our mail spool is currently

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Ken Gunderson
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:54:20 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: furthermore: # /bin/sh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a # /bin/ksh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a ( FAO Mr Carlson :) ) It's ksh but not as we know it, Jim. /bin/ksh93 -c 'foo=a; echo b | read

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread a b
Yes, they have, and what's why it needs to be changed :) Oh wait...you were talking about Solaris ;) I think this is too harsh. If you were working on HP-UX, you'd find that the OS is even more rigid in not changing anything than Solaris. Solaris is almost ultra-liberal in that respect.

[osol-discuss] solaris 10 php install from www.sunfreeware.com

2008-02-07 Thread adma juntunen
Hi, I loaded via pkgadd from sunfreeware.com apache 2.2.6, mysql 5.0.51 and php 5.2.5. I also loaded all the dependencies from sunfreeware. Then I added the obligatory items into the httpd.conf file LoadModule php5_modulemodules/libphp5.so AddType application/x-httpd-php .php All

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ken Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # /bin/sh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a # /bin/ksh -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' a ( FAO Mr Carlson :) ) It's ksh but not as we know it, Jim. /bin/ksh93 -c 'foo=a; echo b | read foo; echo $foo' (I.e.,

[osol-discuss] on/downloads/ - fixed

2008-02-07 Thread Derek Cicero
OK, so last night after everything was restored verified we did a push from the staging server for /all/ directories. So the dlc machines should now be up to date. For folks with push accounts: If you have a push account/manage a directory all of your data should now be in sync between

Re: [osol-discuss] solaris 10 php install from www.sunfreeware.com

2008-02-07 Thread adma juntunen
ok, there's a typo on www.sunfreeware.com should be LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so not php_5_module like it says! adam This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 1:45 PM, Ken Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:53:04 -0600 Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 12:42 PM, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they have, and what's why it needs to be changed :) Oh wait...you were talking about

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread a b
Except HP-UX is dead/dormant for all practical purposes. HP is on the GNU/Linux bandwagon now. While it might be true that hp is on the Linux bandwagon now, HP-UX hardware still makes 17% of the overall hp revenue, and, I told you already, HP-UX is not dead but being actively worked on. You

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Casper . Dik
cpio has a bug with hard link handling that will cause real problems if you use the outdated mkisofs that currently comes with Solaris. What kind of bug (it always works for me and makes the proper hardlinks) Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 10:42 AM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 4:14 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:18 PM, a

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread David Clack
You could try a program called isomaster On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 16:54 +, Chris Linton-Ford wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 06:08 -0800, Roman Morokutti wrote: Hi, I am stuck on how to patch an install image which is currently an ISO-image with bits that support a ZFS root. The

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Chris Linton-Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ISOs can't be mounted read-write. You need to mount, copy the files out, edit them then recreate the ISO with mkisofs. I did this with the HP CPQary driver disk - be warned, it can be fiddly. For my example CPQary3.iso file: # mkdir /mnt/ddisk #

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 9:59 AM, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The long-term view is that other platforms will have a POSIX shell at #!/bin/sh and OpenSolaris, in my view, should have one as well to meet those changing market conditions. How about

Re: [osol-discuss] Considering buying Sun E10K

2008-02-07 Thread Mike DeMarco
Hi all, As a non-Sun expert, I am considering buying an E10K as a file server for a business. It would come with a StorEdge with 12 x 73GB drives. Are you sure that you mean an E10K? I'd say: don't do it: it's expensive to run, it's old and therefor not fast; it consumes a

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 6, 2008 4:14 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM, Kyle McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 3:18 PM, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and as far as the enterprise argument, go talk to some of

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 5:10 AM, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A modern shell, such as ksh93, has functionality and locale support that is near equivalent or superior to bash. Are you talking about the report against /bin/sh that claims a bug because

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cpio has a bug with hard link handling that will cause real problems if you use the outdated mkisofs that currently comes with Solaris. What kind of bug (it always works for me and makes the proper hardlinks)

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The long-term view is that other platforms will have a POSIX shell at #!/bin/sh and OpenSolaris, in my view, should have one as well to meet those changing market conditions. How about running the following test on various platforms: /bin/sh -c

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread David Clack
I have it running on OpenSolaris, I don't suggest anything I have not tested. Thanks Dave On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 19:53 +, Sean Sprague wrote: David, You could try a program called isomaster As a Solaris X86 Evangelist, you suggest a program that is only currently available for

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 1:53 PM, Sean Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, You could try a program called isomaster As a Solaris X86 Evangelist, you suggest a program that is only currently available for Linux and Windows? Very poor indeed IMO. http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/download/

[osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Roman Morokutti
Hi, I am stuck on how to patch an install image which is currently an ISO-image with bits that support a ZFS root. The problem is that after mounting the ISO-file the mount directory is read-only. Every attempt to make it writable fails. I do not know exactly but I can imagine that this is due

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 12:42 PM, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, they have, and what's why it needs to be changed :) Oh wait...you were talking about Solaris ;) I think this is too harsh. If you were working on HP-UX, you'd find that the OS is even more rigid in not changing anything than

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 1:08 AM, Ken Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any actual enterprise systems admin experience? And if so, I'd be curious as to what platforms. Or is your role more primarily along the lines of Open/Solaris evangelist? Just curious so I can understand where you're

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cpio has a bug with hard link handling that will cause real problems if you use the outdated mkisofs that currently comes with Solaris. What kind of bug (it always works for me and makes the proper hardlinks) Run setup-install-server on a recent Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] on/downloads/ - fixed

2008-02-07 Thread Derek Cicero
Derek Cicero wrote: OK, so last night after everything was restored verified we did a push from the staging server for /all/ directories. So the dlc machines should now be up to date. For folks with push accounts: If you have a push account/manage a directory all of your data should

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Sean Sprague
David, Apols, I did not mean/wish to impune you earlier - I was just feeling a little subversive ;-) Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread David Clack
Accepted I got lots of neat stuff :-) Dave On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:03 +, Sean Sprague wrote: David, Apols, I did not mean/wish to impune you earlier - I was just feeling a little subversive ;-) Regards... Sean. David Clack Solaris X86 Evangelist Senior Systems

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Alan Hargreaves
The functionality to change shell is in passwd, but there is a completely wrong check in there. See CR 6638715 Checks in passwd should be authorisation based, not uid based Which I logged a few weeks back. Back onto the Let's replace /bin/sh with insert my favourite shell thread, ... The bit

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Shawn Walker
On Feb 7, 2008 9:16 PM, Alan Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bit that everyone putting forward this argument seems to overlook is the sheer number of scripts in ON that are written for the bourne shell. Each and every one of these would need to be verified against the new shell. We are

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Proposal: Project instantiation update

2008-02-07 Thread Glynn Foster
John Plocher wrote: I didn't define it (because it is defined in section 7.5 of the Constitution); they show up here in 2.2: Duh, completely missed that - though I wonder what proportion of either the Facilitator or the project proposer mail the Project Herald in reality? To some extents

Re: [osol-discuss] How to edit files inside a ISO-image?

2008-02-07 Thread Tom Haynes
Joerg Schilling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cpio has a bug with hard link handling that will cause real problems if you use the outdated mkisofs that currently comes with Solaris. What kind of bug (it always works for me and makes the proper hardlinks) Run

Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone using zfs and CIFS yet?

2008-02-07 Thread Jerry Backlin
I'm using sharesmb (b82) in my home office server with XP W2K clients. Upgrades have caused some hickups and the smbpasswd file had been reset for me but that is addressed now. I can not get my hands around how file protection should be set up. currently a file written into the zfs share does