Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-10 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Al Hopper wrote: > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, John Plocher wrote: > > > >>1.2 auto build another application if depended by current one. > > > > > > That is not so straight forward. > > > > Rhetorical question: Why should you be required to rebuild everything? > > > > > > Caution:

Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-09 Thread Al Hopper
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, John Plocher wrote: > >>1.2 auto build another application if depended by current one. > > > > That is not so straight forward. > > Rhetorical question: Why should you be required to rebuild everything? > > > Caution: The following is probably "more than you ever wanted to

Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Alan Coopersmith
John Plocher wrote: I also wasn't saying that source based systems don't have the concept of an ABI. Rather, I was saying that, in general[1], processes based on the presumption of "build the entire system" tend to not detect changes that are source level compatible but still result in binary in

Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread John Plocher
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Er, no offense, None taken. Note that I wasn't saying that the installer (person) would never wish to be able to perform developer tasks like building from source to produce an installation. I agree that the ability to build everything is important - to developers and t

Re: [osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 8, 2005, at 11:26 AM, John Plocher wrote: As a result, Sun has developed a "binary model" (and here I do not mean "proprietary") that puts a premium on allowing things to maintain compatibility - at a binary interface/API level - over time and over release cycles. Er, no offense, but

[osol-discuss] Binary model & taxonomies: Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread John Plocher
1.2 auto build another application if depended by current one. That is not so straight forward. Rhetorical question: Why should you be required to rebuild everything? Caution: The following is probably "more than you ever wanted to know" about Sun's binary compatibility efforts :-)