[osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Brandorr
Apologies to everyone for draft one. Sending it was a mistake. (I realized that without letting bygones be bygones, we can not make forward progress, and my statements were only adding fuel to the flames). We all need to put our differences on the actual naming policy aside to focus our energy on

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Shawn Walker
On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion I would say that anything less than complete removal of > all OpenSolaris branding on Indiana by the end of today, can be > considered a failure, as each extra day that it is there on the > website only exacerbates the perception, t

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Brandorr
On 11/2/07, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > In my opinion I

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread ken mays
Hello, After reading through many of the threads and emails, I'd like to ask ow we can simplify things. We discussed some of these things during the Developer Summit (naming, branding, votes, non-participants, etc) and it seems we need to make progress on these efforts. At least we have a new In

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Brandorr
On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In my opinion I would say that anything less than complete removal of > >

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Shawn Walker
On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In my opinion I would say that anything less than complete removal of > > > all OpenSolaris branding on Indiana by the end of today,

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-02 Thread Brandorr
On 11/2/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02/11/2007, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my opinion I would say that anything less than complete removal of > > all OpenSolaris branding on Indiana by the end of today, can be > > considered a failure, as each extra day that it

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-05 Thread Anthony Juckel
I'd like to add my perspective to this issue, as a relative outsider to the development of OpenSolaris, but a person very interested in the success of OpenSolaris as a whole, and a person who's closely followed many other open source development communities. The first thing I'd like to point ou

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-05 Thread Alan Burlison
Anthony Juckel wrote: > In all sincerity though, can we please try to redirect all this stop energy regarding the naming choice that Sun made, and direct it in a more positive direction? Just as OpenSolaris is not just OpenSolaris the Developer Preview, it is also not just OpenSolaris the Communit

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-05 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> There's been a steady trickle of posts from people > like yourself who > call themselves 'outsiders', and with all due > respect, every one of them > has missed the point entirely. > > -- > Alan Burlison > -- > ___ My perception is that some "old

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-06 Thread James Carlson
W. Wayne Liauh writes: > My perception is that some "old" guards ("old," in terms of Solaris > experience, not necessarily old age) took this opportunity and > ganged together to try to stage a coup against the "new management". > So far, this "new management"--whatever that means--seems to be > do

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-06 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/11/2007, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > W. Wayne Liauh writes: > > but, unfortunately, he (there is no she in the OGB) cannot stop me from > > doing the "perceiving". > > I agree that we need a more diverse leadership in _many_ ways -- in > terms of affiliation, geography, backgr

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > Sun owns the trademark "Open Solaris". I don't know how things were arranged, however, it is reasonable to assume that the OpenSolaris.org must have acquired a license, either explicitly or by implication, to use the mark Open Solaris or OpenSolaris. Sun owns the trademark

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> frankly, > my friend, I don't give it a damn. > This is a very poor choice of words, please ignore it. My deepest apology. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-07 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> In short, no vote == problem. I must apologize beforehand that I have read only a small portion of the posts (don't really feel like to), thus my comment may sound like that of an idiot. I know this argument was advanced by several posters (one of them even ridiculed my ignorance by asking "

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-08 Thread James Carlson
W. Wayne Liauh writes: > Sun owns the trademark "Open Solaris". I don't know how things were > arranged, however, it is reasonable to assume that the > OpenSolaris.org must have acquired a license, either explicitly or > by implication, to use the mark Open Solaris or OpenSolaris. Indeed, a lack

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-08 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> I believe you've greatly mischaracterized the effort > of the people > involved, and I request that you take a few moments > to familiarize > yourself with the discussion that has occurred on > ogb-discuss, and the > summary of yesterday's board meeting. > > -- > James Carlson, Solaris Networki

Re: [osol-discuss] Let's focus. (2nd Draft)

2007-11-08 Thread john g4lt
On 11/8/07, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe you've greatly mischaracterized the effort > > of the people > > involved, and I request that you take a few moments > > to familiarize > > yourself with the discussion that has occurred on > > ogb-discuss, and the > > summary of y