Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-08 Thread UNIX admin
That's all you needed to supply. The CR was closed by renaud.ma...@sun.com, who noted in the evaluation that vold is gone, Tamarack replaced it, and that Tamarack *does* handle ZFS storage pools. The CR was then updated by artem.kachitch...@sun.com, who noted that Tamarack did do

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread UNIX admin
Why is it though that it appears many gnu tools have been adopted for Opensolaris? Is it just to try to make a transition for linux users a little less painful or something to do with licensing? Somehow someone at Sun figured that they wanted to woo all the Linux developers over to

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread UNIX admin
I have had different experiences than you in this respect. All I was trying to say is that they have excellent ideas, but the implementation has traditionally fallen short. Case in point is Java, write once run anywhere is a grand idea, but the complex language and lack of a compiler make

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread UNIX admin
actually, this is two-sided coin. Sun Studio supports less architectures and less languages than gcc. I was writing about the compiler himself, not the front end 'cc'. Yes, what you write is true; but let's face it, any high-performance or system stuff will be written either in C or

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
UNIX admin wrote: And the GNU tools are mostly inferior products in terms of performance: for example, GNU AWK is slower than System V AWK (this has been chewed into oblivion on the Usenet); or There's an interesting tradeoff with GNU awk though; back in '03, I'd run into problems

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread James Carlson
UNIX admin writes: Or volume management, which to this day doesn't work correctly (one can't create a zpool on a removable device, then eject (zpool export) and plug that device somewhere else and have it instantly imported by vold(1M). And if you're interested, the RFE for this was closed

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread Alexander Vlasov
UNIX admin wrote: And the GNU tools are mostly inferior products in terms of performance: for example, GNU AWK is slower than System V AWK (this has been chewed into oblivion on the Usenet); or GCC generates slower code than any vendor's compilers (Sun Studio will trod GCC into the ground in

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread Harry Putnam
UNIX admin tripivc...@hotmail.com writes: And let's not forget bash: a broken we know better replacement for Korn and Bourne shells. Don't mean to keep pounding here but you didn't really give a specific example of this brokenness. I'm not sharp enough to just `get' what you are driving at.

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread Casper . Dik
UNIX admin tripivc...@hotmail.com writes: And let's not forget bash: a broken we know better replacement for Korn and Bourne shells. Don't mean to keep pounding here but you didn't really give a specific example of this brokenness. I'm not sharp enough to just `get' what you are driving at.

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread a b
When saying something like that, it helps quite a lot of you can cite the actual CR number so that others can help either rescue the CR (if it's in need of rescue) or provide a more comprehensive explanation. The CR is 681661 http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6811661 In this

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-07 Thread James Carlson
a b writes: When saying something like that, it helps quite a lot of you can cite the actual CR number so that others can help either rescue the CR (if it's in need of rescue) or provide a more comprehensive explanation. The CR is 681661

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-06 Thread Tim Scanlon
ux-admin said: Excellent engineers, excellent engineering practices and processes, but NEVER a product that works 100%, with all kinks worked out. Always phenomenal ideas, but never a 100% working product. About 75%, give or take, is what gets released. I have had different experiences than

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-06 Thread UNIX admin
That tinkering lead me to tryout a free OS being offered by Solaris. As I recall it cost something like $40 to try it out. The OS was free ut you paid for the processed CDs. I still remember when I finally got it to boot up that I thought it was really cool to see the Sun logo pop up on

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-06 Thread Alexander Vlasov
Knowing your SunID it would take 5 minutes. Bugster supports reported email as search criterion. roland wrote: i added a bugreport to bugster for this yesterday. unfortunately, i dumped the response mail with the bug-id and now i cannot find my own bugreport anymore. (did somebody delete

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-06 Thread James Carlson
[corrected top-post] Alexander Vlasov writes: roland wrote: i added a bugreport to bugster for this yesterday. unfortunately, i dumped the response mail with the bug-id and now i cannot find my own bugreport anymore. (did somebody delete that?) as this thread is linked from the

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-06 Thread roland
thanks - i can see it now and finding it by the search phrase, where i got no hit before. seems i was a little bit too impatient. i should better read what`s on screen. sorry for have taken your time ! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-06 Thread Harry Putnam
UNIX admin tripivc...@hotmail.com writes: GNU userland is just garbage, unfortunately most casual users aren't even aware just how shoddy and crappy GNU userland is. First, your posts have been good reading... About the gnu garbage... I see that attitude is common amongst long time Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-05 Thread UNIX admin
I'm using what would pass as junk hardware to many here. Its older hardware and cheapo cards... but I've had to use PCI sata cards because OSOL does not recognize my onboard sata controller. Believe me when I write that I completely understand your frustration, simply because it is my

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole

2009-04-05 Thread Harry Putnam
UNIX admin tripivc...@hotmail.com writes: I'm using what would pass as junk hardware to many here. Its older hardware and cheapo cards... but I've had to use PCI sata cards because OSOL does not recognize my onboard sata controller. Believe me when I write that I completely understand your

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-04 Thread roland
i added a bugreport to bugster for this yesterday. unfortunately, i dumped the response mail with the bug-id and now i cannot find my own bugreport anymore. (did somebody delete that?) as this thread is linked from the bugster bugreport, whoever is reading this thread please post the bug id

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-02 Thread roland
Unless you have a chassis that's made for hot plugging, and have a sliding caddy with physical latch on the front, and a red blinking light to identify which is the failed disk, and unless you bought a name brand product like Sun or Dell or HP ... I think you can count on *not* supporting hot

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-04-02 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Unless you have a chassis that's made for hot plugging, and have a sliding caddy with physical latch on the front, and a red blinking light to identify which is the failed disk, and unless you bought a name brand product like Sun or Dell or HP ... I think you can count on *not* supporting

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-31 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
thanks for the hint - i thought sata would be always hot-pluggable. i checked the specs for 3114 and they tell it supports hot-plug: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?pid=28 Regardless of what the manual says - because I've seen so many times that the manual says some hardware

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Alexander Vlasov
sil3114 is, politely speaking, not the best piece of hardware I've ever seen, however it supports hotplug. Original Poster: can you please take a look at cfgadm? Seems like sil believes disk is still there or gone mad, maybe it cam be solved by switching it off or marking unconfigured. Hans

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread roland
Original Poster: can you please take a look at cfgadm? Seems like sil believes disk is still there or gone mad, maybe it cam be solved by switching it off or marking unconfigured. i can take a look at the end of the week and will report. anyway - how can this be solved by switching it of or

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Harry Putnam
roland devz...@web.de writes: Original Poster: can you please take a look at cfgadm? Seems like sil believes disk is still there or gone mad, maybe it cam be solved by switching it off or marking unconfigured. i can take a look at the end of the week and will report. anyway - how can this be

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Hans van der Made
Like you, I'm thinking if I'm going to have that much trouble when pulling a disk, its looking like a large blemish on the usability of zfs for my NAS server. At the moment, the OpenSolaris ZFS experience seems to be rather hardware dependent. With Sun hardware, I haven't had any problems,

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Hans van der Made
Harry Putnam wrote: Like you, I'm thinking if I'm going to have that much trouble when pulling a disk, its looking like a large blemish on the usability of zfs for my NAS server. I've just checked the archives and it seems like you've had quite a ride already, sorry to hear that! Let's hope

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Harry Putnam
Hans van der Made s...@ukemi.com writes: [...] I don't know which components you've used, and if these parts work fine in other people's systems, but your description does not breed confidence in this particular card. Of course, there's also BIOS settings, firmware, bus mastering problems,

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-30 Thread Harry Putnam
Hans van der Made s...@ukemi.com writes: Harry Putnam wrote: Like you, I'm thinking if I'm going to have that much trouble when pulling a disk, its looking like a large blemish on the usability of zfs for my NAS server. I've just checked the archives and it seems like you've had quite a

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-28 Thread roland
thanks for the hint - i thought sata would be always hot-pluggable. i checked the specs for 3114 and they tell it supports hot-plug: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?pid=28 i think i will try how a raid mirror behaves with linux, just to see if there is a difference. roland

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-28 Thread devzero
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Hans van der Made h...@ukemi.com Gesendet: 28.03.09 00:15:53 An: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Betreff: Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system roland wrote: i`m using a sil3114 sata controller with a zfs

[osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-27 Thread roland
hello, i`m using a sil3114 sata controller with a zfs configured as mirror. if i disconnect one of the drives, the whole system stalls until i reconnect the drive. i cannot even login via network anymore. this lasts at least for some minutes (don`t know if it cures itself after a while),

Re: [osol-discuss] disconnecting hdd from zfs mirror hangs whole system

2009-03-27 Thread Hans van der Made
roland wrote: i`m using a sil3114 sata controller with a zfs configured as mirror. if i disconnect one of the drives, the whole system stalls until i reconnect the drive. i cannot even login via network anymore. Not all hardware is suitable for hot removal of devices, whether the OS supports