Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-24 Thread Ryan McDougall
I think it's pretty clear LL will broach no more discussion on this matter, as the only people complaining are "non contributors" -- as clear a statement yet that realXtend and OpenSim are not considered contributions to SL. As far as I'm concerned, this is a complete FUD own-goal, and realXtend n

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Dzonatas Sol
In the list I made, that would be for the wearer only -- not the creator. There are: (A) creators of the layers (B) creator of the outfit list. (C) wearer of the outfit By default, (B) & (C) are the same -- the wearer. (A) is able to supply a outfit list to help suggest layer order, but it does

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Glen Canaday
That's actually what I would like to avoid, specifically. That forces the creator to continue to dictate whether your underwear goes on top of your pants or not. There's no added flexibility for the resident in that. Here's why I'll be an advocate of just a few extra numbered layers on top of t

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Dzonatas Sol
An easier way may just to have list without ordinals. Example: Outfit: * Upper-body ** Jacket ** Shirt ** Undershirt ** upper-tattoos ** custom-upper-body-skin ** another-custom-upper-body-skin * Lower-body ** Pants ** Underpants ** lower-tattoos ** custom-lower-body-skin ** another-custom-lower-

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Glen Canaday
Actually, I don't mind "undies, shirt, and jacket." What I'm really referring to is maybe 3 undies layers numbered 1,2,3. Creators can still specify which of those three as they do now, but the user would choose the 1, 2, 3 bit. The creator doesn't lose the ability to choose which of the three

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Brent Tubbs
I like this idea a lot. While we're talking about about increasing flexibility though, why have a low hardcoded limit to the number of layers? The new tattoo and alpha layers are great, but what comes next, and how long do we keep hardcoding more specific layers? If someone wants to layer on ten

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Glen Canaday
Nyx, Oh, I actually do have one functionality idea / request: rather than allowing the creator to dictate the clothing layer of a wearable, can we allow the wearer themselves choose where it goes? I can't tell you how many times I've had to not wear something because the original creator did

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

2010-03-24 Thread Glen Canaday
I'm a little unsure what the tiny robot means about the appearance floater being all yucky We'll still need it for the shape sliders, will we not? After all, it's incredibly convenient to just put it where you want it in order to reduce the mouse-miles involved. Sticking it ALL on the right

[opensource-dev] PowerPC notes for 2.0

2010-03-24 Thread Tori C.
I threw a copy of my haphazard Snowglobe 2 PowerPC build notes onto https://blogs.secondlife.com/message/148902#148902 - maybe they'll be useful for someone with the time to flesh it out into something suitable for public distribution. Look at cache and logging too, for opportunities to skip /tmp c

Re: [opensource-dev] [solved?] Re: SLPlugin lagging my viewer like crazy, maybe it was a bad idea from the start?

2010-03-24 Thread Tayra Dagostino
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:11:03 -0500 Michael Dickson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 22:58 +, Tayra Dagostino wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:39:00 +0100 > > Lance Corrimal wrote: > > > > > Anyways, shouldn't SLPlugin exit when it is done doing what it > > > thought it should be doing? > > >

Re: [opensource-dev] [solved?] Re: SLPlugin lagging my viewer like crazy, maybe it was a bad idea from the start ?

2010-03-24 Thread Opensource Obscure
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:11:03 -0500, Michael Dickson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 22:58 +, Tayra Dagostino wrote: >> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:39:00 +0100 >> Lance Corrimal wrote: >> >> > Anyways, shouldn't SLPlugin exit when it is done doing what it >> > thought it should be doing? >> >> ins

Re: [opensource-dev] [solved?] Re: SLPlugin lagging my viewer like crazy, maybe it was a bad idea from the start?

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Dickson
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 22:58 +, Tayra Dagostino wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:39:00 +0100 > Lance Corrimal wrote: > > > Anyways, shouldn't SLPlugin exit when it is done doing what it > > thought it should be doing? > > installed and configured Pulseaudio > now only ONE SLPlugin thread execut

[opensource-dev] [solved?] Re: SLPlugin lagging my viewer like crazy, maybe it was a bad idea from the start?

2010-03-24 Thread Tayra Dagostino
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:39:00 +0100 Lance Corrimal wrote: > Anyways, shouldn't SLPlugin exit when it is done doing what it > thought it should be doing? installed and configured Pulseaudio now only ONE SLPlugin thread executed, with very low processor usage. ___

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-24 Thread Rob Nelson
As an epileptic, let me do say that the viewer has caused "auras" (sort of a buzzing in my head that warns me of an impending seizure) and has caused migraines, particularly due to the GL rendering area getting "squashed" by the sidebar. It's also very disorienting to people. On Wed, 2010-03-24

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-24 Thread Morgaine
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Joe Linden wrote: > > There is no "catch 22" here. No "overstepping", and no rocket science. > The terms of the GPL are clear and well understood. The arguments around > clauses 11 and 12 of the GPL are completely baseless. Here are GPLv2 clauses 11 and 12, J

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-24 Thread Lance Corrimal
It's basically the same as seasickness, or motion sickness in general... you feel sick, because your eyes and your sense of balance tell your brain different things. that's why a cure for seasickness is being in a spot on the boat where you can see the horizon... so that your brain realizes that

[opensource-dev] Please update TPVP / FLOSS community concerns wiki page

2010-03-24 Thread Opensource Obscure
Just a reminder that this page exists even if it hasn't been updated since 1 month https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/FLOSS_community_concerns_about_the_Linden_Lab_policy_on_third-party_viewers It seems the best place where to point people at, and I'd suggest to developers and open source supporte

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-24 Thread Tateru Nino
Sounds like Virtual Environment Sickness (a perceptual dissonance malady somewhat akin to seasickness). While it affects about 30% of the population from the USAF studies that I've seen, I haven't read anything to suggest that either the SL viewer or LCD monitors affect the overall prevalence of th

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-24 Thread Argent Stonecutter
Not to disagree with the entirety of your rant, but this bit seems completely off the wall. On 2010-03-23, at 21:39, Jonathan Irvin wrote: > Not to be rude, but if people are getting vertigo, epilepsy, etc. > from SL...viewer 2.0 isn't going to make a difference. Viewer 1.23 > would have th

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-24 Thread Lance Corrimal
Am Mittwoch, 24. März 2010 03:57:17 schrieb Joe Linden: > Let me take just one more crack at explaining the situation here, then I'll > let the TPV Policy document stand on it's own. Joe, if the policy does not MEAN "you take all responsibility", why does it SAY so? and... if you (LL) don't WANT

Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

2010-03-24 Thread Boy Lane
@Darmath You wrote you are a law student and this is certainly a very interesting subject to explore, without getting really involved. Unless you make your own viewer. I think we agree here about the underlying common sense and the good intentions of everyone in this discussion. I believe we c