Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Michaël Van de Borne
I'm about to install OpenStack for a customer in a few days. It's an SME and their first production cloud would be limited to a few hosts and about 60 VMs. Do you feel it'd be worth getting their feedback about deployment and usage? yours, michaël Michaël Van de Borne RD Engineer, SOA

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Saurabh
Hey Guys One of the user stories from my company. We are an SME and our customers are SMEs too. We are working on releasing documents in detail as well as discussing with the customers, for releasing the entire customizations to the community. We are working on releasing all these in the form of

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Mark Collier
+1 well said Saurabh saur...@safewlabs.com wrote: Hey Guys One of the user stories from my company. We are an SME and our customers are SMEs too. We are working on releasing documents in detail as well as discussing with the customers, for releasing the entire customizations to the

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread raja.meena
Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity +1 well said Saurabh saur...@safewlabs.com wrote: Hey Guys One of the user stories from my company. We are an SME and our customers are SMEs too. We are working on releasing documents in detail as well as discussing with the customers, for releasing

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Jim Curry
...@safewlabs.commailto:saur...@safewlabs.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity +2 , I go with Saurabh. Thanks Meena Raja From: openstack-bounces+raja.meena=wipro@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack-bounces

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Thomas Goirand
@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity +2  , I  go with Saurabh. Thanks Meena Raja From: openstack-bounces+raja.meena=wipro@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack-bounces+raja.meena=wipro@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+raja.meena

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Mark Collier
...@safewlabs.commailto:saur...@safewlabs.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity +2 , I go with Saurabh. Thanks Meena Raja From: openstack-bounces+raja.meena=wipro@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack-bounces+raja.meena

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Thu, 2012-04-05 at 17:28 -0700, Michael March wrote: Pretty much everyone featured on that page are 'big' organizations and there really isn't any detail on their experiences of trying to deploy (and maintain) Openstack. There's definitely not stories that a mid-range sized IT shop could

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Jim Curry
:41 + To: Mark Collier mark.coll...@rackspace.commailto:mark.coll...@rackspace.com, saur...@safewlabs.commailto:saur...@safewlabs.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity +2 , I go with Saurabh. Thanks

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-06 Thread Leandro Reox
Michael, were not IBM or Dell, were not as big as you think. Were just 4 guys that deployed and mantain our openstack private cloud. Yes just four guys. Were always present at the summits or cons answering questions and telling people how hard was moving into iaas how many time it takes to deploy

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-05 Thread Joshua Harlow
+ ? On 4/5/12 9:43 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: +1. On 04/04/2012 04:20 PM, David Kranz wrote: +1000 I believe the nova team should make backporting essential bugs to a stable essex base and dealing with the upgrade issue the highest priority for the start (at least) of the

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-05 Thread Michael March
I've been giving this thread some thought and it dawned on my that we need to expand this page: http://openstack.org/user-stories/ Pretty much everyone featured on that page are 'big' organizations and there really isn't any detail on their experiences of trying to deploy (and maintain)

[Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Sébastien Han
Hi everyone, According to the statement of this article from Gartner group http://blogs.gartner.com/lydia_leong/2012/04/03/citrix-cloudstack-openstack-and-the-war-for-open-source-clouds/ Openstack is a highly immature platform. But why? What's make Openstack so immature? Any comments on that?

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Diego Parrilla Santamaría
Immaturity of a platform is something you can easily fix paying the right fee to your favorite analyst firm. Seriously, Openstack is an open platform and an open community. This means problems and issues are open to discuss to everyone. Propietary platforms issues are rarely disclosed, and they

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Jacek Artymiak
It depends on what you expect OpenStack to do for you. If you want pre-packaged, click-to-install software, it is not there, yet. But if you want to be able to influence the future of the project you want to bet your business on, you have a much higher chance of doing that with OpenStack than with

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Jay Payne
I believe this Openstack is a highly immature platform. is referring more to nova than swift. The simple reason for that is nova is more focused on dev than ops but that is changing.In mature projects the questions like How do I run this reliably every day? and How can I safely upgrade from

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Razique Mahroua
The "immaturity" being exposed here has nothing to do with neither stability nor bugs - in fact the angle is more about an ease of deployment.Such statements are not new, and well known from "enterprises" point of view.I remember same articles about Linux, few years back about Zimbra, few months

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Jan Drake
H. While ease of deployment is definitely an area of future strength for OS, the gap is closing rapidly and the reality for the enterprise is that initial, comparable (apples to apples) VMWare installations all come with an initial professional services engagement anyway. Having just

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Jay Payne
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Razique Mahroua razique.mahr...@gmail.comwrote: The immaturity being exposed here has nothing to do with neither stability nor bugs - in fact the angle is more about an ease of deployment. Such statements are not new, and well known from enterprises point of

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Ryan Lane
According to the statement of this article from Gartner group http://blogs.gartner.com/lydia_leong/2012/04/03/citrix-cloudstack-openstack-and-the-war-for-open-source-clouds/ Openstack is a highly immature platform. But why? What's make Openstack so immature? Any comments on that? Thank you

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Bell
+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Jan Drake Sent: 04 April 2012 16:37 To: Razique Mahroua Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity H. While ease of deployment is definitely an area of future strength for OS, the gap is closing rapidly

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Jay Payne
There are many projects rolled up into the thing called OpenStack. Nova is only one of them and is the one that most people are talking about when they say OpenStack. This does a huge disservice to the other projects especially Swift. It's very frustrating to see the other projects all painted

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread David Kranz
+1000 I believe the nova team should make backporting essential bugs to a stable essex base and dealing with the upgrade issue the highest priority for the start (at least) of the Folsom cycle. We need people to deploy real systems using Essex. With regard to smooth upgrades, they won't

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Joshua Harlow
Maybe it would be more interesting, instead of getting on the defensive to instead start asking what people think is broken or is immature and fix those areas. Push forward, get peoples feelings about it, and take it as constructive input. If people think its immature, ask for why and then fix

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack immaturity

2012-04-04 Thread Armando Migliaccio
Another perspective worth considering is immaturity vs growth. Are there enough progresses being made? When problems are identified, are these solved swiftly and effectively? I think the people involved in the OpenStack community do and have done a great job in this regard, and should be praised