Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: That actually goes to something I'm not aware of us - the project - having spent much time discussing. We do twice yearly releases of our collection of software, but there are public cloud providers which want to essentially do continuous deployment from our development

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-22 Thread Lloyd Dewolf
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: That actually goes to something I'm not aware of us - the project - having spent much time discussing. We do twice yearly releases of our collection of software, but there are public cloud

Re: [Openstack-poc] [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
How do these plans fit with the idea of creating a unified client library (either as one package or several, based on a common core)? On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: We're trying to figure out how we release client libraries. We're really close - but

Re: [Openstack-poc] [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 06/18/2012 02:25 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: How do these plans fit with the idea of creating a unified client library (either as one package or several, based on a common core)? They are kind of orthogonal. At the

Re: [Openstack-poc] [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-22 Thread Gabriel Hurley
] On Behalf Of Monty Taylor Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:00 PM To: Joe Heck Cc: openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net; openst...@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] [Openstack-poc] Thoughts on client library releasing On 06/18/2012 02:26 PM, Joe Heck wrote: Monty - Thierry stated

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:07:05AM -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: I'm going to top-post, because there is a whole other thing which is not a response to points below. Basically, this is yet-another-instance of two competing and partially contradictory sets of use cases and usage patterns that

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-20 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey, Does the PPB vote last night mean that the all-mighty PPB, in its infinite wisdom, has decreed that nothing useful can come from further discussion? :-) I certainly hope not ... On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 11:07 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: It is terrible for the public cloud implementations who

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Monty, Thanks for sending. For reference, this was the link you posted last week: http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Proposed/LibraryProjectDefinition One question I had on that is re: the ability to release a client library outside of the core project release cycle (requests have

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: One question I had on that is re: the ability to release a client library outside of the core project release cycle (requests have been coming in to our release manager for this) Who were these request from and why? That would help understand what we're

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 11:25 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: One question I had on that is re: the ability to release a client library outside of the core project release cycle (requests have been coming in to our release manager for this) Who were these

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: Originally the client library projects were independent and were released by their author to PyPI. People built their tooling and automation Interested in specific examples ... Most developers apparently pull their libraries from PyPI. It's a bit strange for people

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:48 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: [..] However they also inherited the release scheme of the server project (new version every 6 months), which was (or was not) synced to PyPI depending of who was owning the PyPI project. More confusion as PyPI

[Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-18 Thread Monty Taylor
We're trying to figure out how we release client libraries. We're really close - but there are some sticking points. First of all, things that don't really have dissent (with reasoning) - We should release client libs to PyPI Client libs are for use in other python things, so they should be

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
How do these plans fit with the idea of creating a unified client library (either as one package or several, based on a common core)? On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: We're trying to figure out how we release client libraries. We're really close - but

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-18 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 17:25 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: How do these plans fit with the idea of creating a unified client library (either as one package or several, based on a common core)? I am under the impression that there is not a desire, at present, to create a unified client library.

Re: [Openstack] Thoughts on client library releasing

2012-06-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/18/2012 02:25 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: How do these plans fit with the idea of creating a unified client library (either as one package or several, based on a common core)? They are kind of orthogonal. At the point where python-openstackclient is ready for release, we'd likely want to