Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Herman Narkaytis's message of 2013-12-09 08:18:17 -0800: > Hi All, > Last couple of month Mirantis team was working on new scalable scheduler > architecture. The main concept was proposed by Boris Pavlovic in the > following blue print > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/n

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-09 Thread Herman Narkaytis
Hi All, Last couple of month Mirantis team was working on new scalable scheduler architecture. The main concept was proposed by Boris Pavlovic in the following blue print https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-db-scheduler and Alexey Ovchinnikov prepared a bunch of patches https://review.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/03/2013 03:17 AM, Robert Collins wrote: > The team size was a minimum, not a maximum - please add your names. > > We're currently waiting on the prerequisite blueprint to land before > work starts in earnest; and for the blueprint to be approved (he says, > without having checked to see if i

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/03/2013 03:17 AM, Robert Collins wrote: > The team size was a minimum, not a maximum - please add your names. > > We're currently waiting on the prerequisite blueprint to land before > work starts in earnest; and for the blueprint to be approved (he says, > without having checked to see if i

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)
ling clean interfaces that should be designed. Yathi. -- Original message-- From: Debojyoti Dutta Date: Tue, 12/3/2013 10:50 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions); Cc: Boris Pavlovic; Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted fo

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Debojyoti Dutta
I agree with RussellB on this … if the forklift's goal is to just separate the scheduler, there should be no new features etc till the forklift is done and it should work as is with very minor config changes. A scheduler has several features like place resources correctly, for example. Ideally, th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/03/2013 07:22 AM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: > Hi all, > > > Finally found a bit time to write my thoughts. > > There are few blockers that make really complex to build scheduler as a > services or even to move main part of scheduler code to separated lib. > We already have one unsuccessfully e

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Boris Pavlovic
:) > > Best regards, > > Jerome Gallard & Khanh-Toan Tran > > > -Message d'origine- > > De : Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > > Envoyé : mardi 3 décembre 2013 09:18 > > À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
d'origine- > De : Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > Envoyé : mardi 3 décembre 2013 09:18 > À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest > proposal for an external sched

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: > On 12/02/2013 11:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> I don't really care that much about deprecation in that case, but I care >> about which release the new project is made part of. Would you make it >> part of the Icehouse common release ? That means fast-tracking through >> in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Calum Loudon
vember 22, 2013 4:59 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler I'm looking for 4-5 folk who have: - modest

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Collins
sage- > From: Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:59 AM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List > Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest > proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime > &g

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Wang, Shane
: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:59 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler I'm looking for 4-5 folk who

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 04:49 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > That is a good point. If the forklift is still talking to nova's > db then it would be significantly less duplication and i could see > doing it in the reverse order. The no-db-stuff should be done > before trying to implement cinder support so we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Dec 2, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: > On 12/02/2013 03:31 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: >> >> On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Russell Bryant >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/02/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: I think that this is certainly different. It is something that we we wa

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Chris Friesen
On 12/02/2013 02:31 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: I'm going to reopen a can of worms, though. I think the most difficult part of the forklift will be moving stuff out of the existing databases into a new database. Do we really need to move it to a new database for the forklift? Chris ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 03:31 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Russell Bryant > wrote: > >> On 12/02/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: >>> I think that this is certainly different. It is something that >>> we we want and need a user facing API. Examples: - aggregates - >>> per

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > On 12/02/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: >> I think that this is certainly different. It is something that we we want >> and need a user facing API. >> Examples: >> - aggregates >> - per host scheduling >> - instance groups >> >> Etc. >> >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 02/12/2013 18:12, Russell Bryant a écrit : On 12/02/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: I think that this is certainly different. It is something that we we want and need a user facing API. Examples: - aggregates - per host scheduling - instance groups Etc. That is just taking the nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 10:59 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: > I think that this is certainly different. It is something that we we want > and need a user facing API. > Examples: > - aggregates > - per host scheduling > - instance groups > > Etc. > > That is just taking the nova options into account and not the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 11:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > I don't really care that much about deprecation in that case, but I care > about which release the new project is made part of. Would you make it > part of the Icehouse common release ? That means fast-tracking through > incubation *and* integration i

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Monty Taylor wrote: > On 12/02/2013 09:13 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> On 11/29/2013 10:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >>> Robert Collins wrote: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler >>> >>> Just looked into it with release management / TC hat on and I have a >>> (possibly

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Gary Kotton
On 12/2/13 5:33 PM, "Monty Taylor" wrote: > > >On 12/02/2013 09:13 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> On 11/29/2013 10:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >>> Robert Collins wrote: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=https://etherpad.openstack.o rg/p/icehouse-external-scheduler&k=oIvRg1

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 10:53 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > On 12/2/13 5:39 PM, "Russell Bryant" wrote: > >> On 12/02/2013 10:33 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: >>> Just because I'd like to argue - if what we do here is an actual >>> forklift, do we really need a cycle of deprecation? >>> >>> The reason I ask is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Gary Kotton
On 12/2/13 5:39 PM, "Russell Bryant" wrote: >On 12/02/2013 10:33 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: >> Just because I'd like to argue - if what we do here is an actual >> forklift, do we really need a cycle of deprecation? >> >> The reason I ask is that this is, on first stab, not intended to be a >> ser

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/02/2013 10:39 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > On 12/02/2013 10:33 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: >> Just because I'd like to argue - if what we do here is an actual >> forklift, do we really need a cycle of deprecation? >> >> The reason I ask is that this is, on first stab, not intended to be a >> ser

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/02/2013 10:33 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: > Just because I'd like to argue - if what we do here is an actual > forklift, do we really need a cycle of deprecation? > > The reason I ask is that this is, on first stab, not intended to be a > service that has user-facing API differences. It's a reor

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 12/02/2013 09:13 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: > On 11/29/2013 10:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Robert Collins wrote: >>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler >> >> Just looked into it with release management / TC hat on and I have a >> (possibly minor) concern on the dep

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-12-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/29/2013 10:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Robert Collins wrote: >> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler > > Just looked into it with release management / TC hat on and I have a > (possibly minor) concern on the deprecation path/timing. > > Assuming everything goes we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler Just looked into it with release management / TC hat on and I have a (possibly minor) concern on the deprecation path/timing. Assuming everything goes well, the separate scheduler will be fast-tracked through inc

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-29 Thread Gary Kotton
On 11/28/13 11:34 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: >On 29 November 2013 09:44, Gary Kotton wrote: >> >> >> The first stage is technical - move Nova scheduling code from A to be. >> What do we achieve - not much - we actually complicate things - there is >> always churn in Nova and we will have dupl

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-29 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
> > The first stage is technical - move Nova scheduling code from A to be. > > What do we achieve - not much - we actually complicate things - there > > is always churn in Nova and we will have duplicate code bases. In > > addition to this the only service that can actually make use of they > > is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 November 2013 09:44, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > The first stage is technical - move Nova scheduling code from A to be. > What do we achieve - not much - we actually complicate things - there is > always churn in Nova and we will have duplicate code bases. In addition to > this the only service

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Gary Kotton
On 11/28/13 8:12 PM, "Robert Collins" wrote: >On 29 November 2013 04:50, Gary Kotton wrote: > >> I am not really sure how we can have a client tree without even having >> discussed the API's and interfaces. From the initial round of emails the >> intention was to make use of the RPC mechanism

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 November 2013 04:50, Gary Kotton wrote: > I am not really sure how we can have a client tree without even having > discussed the API's and interfaces. From the initial round of emails the > intention was to make use of the RPC mechanism to speak with the scheduler. It still is. We have an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 28/11/2013 17:04, Chris Friesen a écrit : On 11/28/2013 09:50 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: One option worth thinking about is to introduce a new scheduling driver to nova - this driver will interface with the external scheduler. This will let us define the scheduling API, model etc, without being

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Chris Friesen
On 11/28/2013 09:50 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: One option worth thinking about is to introduce a new scheduling driver to nova - this driver will interface with the external scheduler. This will let us define the scheduling API, model etc, without being in the current confines of Nova. This will als

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-28 Thread Gary Kotton
On 11/28/13 12:10 AM, "Robert Collins" wrote: >On 25 November 2013 21:51, Sylvain Bauza wrote: >> As said earlier, I also would love to join the team, triggering a few >> blueprints or so. >> >> By the way, I'm currently reviewing the Scheduler code. Do you began to >> design the API queries o

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-27 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 November 2013 21:51, Sylvain Bauza wrote: > As said earlier, I also would love to join the team, triggering a few > blueprints or so. > > By the way, I'm currently reviewing the Scheduler code. Do you began to > design the API queries or do you need help for that ? > > -Sylvain https://blue

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-25 Thread Sylvain Bauza
usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime Robert, Btw, I would like to be a volunteer too=) Best regards, Boris Pavlovic On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Robert Collins mailto

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-24 Thread Haefliger, Juerg
for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime Robert, Btw, I would like to be a volunteer too=) Best regards, Boris Pavlovic On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Robert Collins mailto:robe

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 November 2013 08:08, Boris Pavlovic wrote: > Robert, > > > Btw, I would like to be a volunteer too=) > > > Best regards, > Boris Pavlovic Awesome, added to the etherpad! -- Robert Collins Distinguished Technologist HP Converged Cloud ___ Ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-24 Thread Boris Pavlovic
Robert, Btw, I would like to be a volunteer too=) Best regards, Boris Pavlovic On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > On 22 November 2013 23:55, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > > > > >>> I'm looking for 4-5 folk who have: > >>> - modest Nova skills > >>> - time to follow a f

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 22 November 2013 23:55, Gary Kotton wrote: > > >>> I'm looking for 4-5 folk who have: >>> - modest Nova skills >>> - time to follow a fairly mechanical (but careful and detailed work >>> needed) plan to break the status quo around scheduler extraction > > I would be happy to take part. But p

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-24 Thread Robert Collins
"Mike Spreitzer" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:58:46 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest > proposal for an external scheduler in our lifet

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Sylvain Bauza
> > De : Robert Collins [robe...@robertcollins.net] > Date d'envoi : jeudi 21 novembre 2013 21:58 > À : OpenStack Development Mailing List > Objet : [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest > proposal for an ex

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)
I would definitely like to take part in this discussion and also contribute where I can. I was part of the scheduler sessions in the recent summit along with Debo Dutta, Gary Kotton, and Mike Spreitzer and we had proposed sessions on smart resource placement, and also the instance group API work f

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
n the next Scheduler meeting Nov 26th? Best regards, Toan - Original Message - From: "Mike Spreitzer" To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 4:58:46 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volun

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I'm still a newbie here, so can not claim my Nova skills are even "modest". But I'd like to track this, if nothing more. Thanks, Mike___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/op

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Gary Kotton
On 11/22/13 12:16 PM, "Soren Hansen" wrote: >I'd very much like to take part in the discussions. Depending on the >outcome of said discussion, I may or may not want to participate in >the implementation :) > >Soren Hansen | >https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://linux2go

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Soren Hansen
I'd very much like to take part in the discussions. Depending on the outcome of said discussion, I may or may not want to participate in the implementation :) Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.open

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-22 Thread Alex Glikson
ert Collins To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , Date: 21/11/2013 11:00 PM Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler I'm looking f

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-21 Thread Robert Collins
On 22 November 2013 15:57, Boris Pavlovic wrote: > Robert, > > It is nice that community like idea of making one scheduler as a service. > > > But I saw in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler > some misleading about > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-db-sched

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-21 Thread Boris Pavlovic
Robert, It is nice that community like idea of making one scheduler as a service. But I saw in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-schedulersome misleading about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/no-db-scheduler Approach no-db-scheduler is actually base step that allows

[openstack-dev] [Nova][Schduler] Volunteers wanted for a modest proposal for an external scheduler in our lifetime

2013-11-21 Thread Robert Collins
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler I'm looking for 4-5 folk who have: - modest Nova skills - time to follow a fairly mechanical (but careful and detailed work needed) plan to break the status quo around scheduler extraction And of course, discussion galore about the id