Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 10:11 +0100, Luke Gorrie wrote: > On 3 March 2014 18:30, Thierry Carrez wrote: > My advice was therefore that you should not wait for that to > happen to > > engage in cooperative behavior, because you don't want to be > the first >

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 4 March 2014 11:40, Thierry Carrez wrote: > This is a technical requirement, and failing to match those requirements > is clearly not the same as engaging in deception or otherwise failing > the OpenStack community code of conduct. > Thank you for clearing that up! ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Luke Gorrie wrote: > "Cooperative behavior" is vague. I realize I was way too vague and apologize if you felt threatened in any way. It is terminology borrowed from sociology, and I realize it does not translate that well in general discussion (and appears stronger than I really meant). > Case in

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 3 March 2014 18:30, Thierry Carrez wrote: > My advice was therefore that you should not wait for that to happen to > engage in cooperative behavior, because you don't want to be the first > company to get singled out. > "Cooperative behavior" is vague. Case in point: I have not successfully

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread John Griffith
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Luke Gorrie wrote: > > That's a really harsh threat being made against a really vaguely defined > > group. > > > > I don't want to have to read between the lines on threats posted to > > openstack-dev to see if my reputation will be in tatte

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Luke Gorrie wrote: > That's a really harsh threat being made against a really vaguely defined > group. > > I don't want to have to read between the lines on threats posted to > openstack-dev to see if my reputation will be in tatters in the morning. > > This spoiled my day today, and I have nothi

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 3 March 2014 11:27, Thierry Carrez wrote: > It will certainly hurt the first one we nail on the wall. So here is one > reputational pressure: you don't want to be that company. > > [1] http://fnords.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/the-dilemma-of-open-innovation/ -1. That's a really harsh threat be

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Mark Collier
+1 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On March 3, 2014 10:12:43 AM Jay Pipes wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 16:30 -0700, John Griffith wrote: > Hey, > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up > recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 16:30 -0700, John Griffith wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up > recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; > don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise > some community awareness

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: > On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: >> Something that came up recently in the Cinder project is that one of the >> backend device vendors wasn't happy with a feature that somebody was >> working on and contributed a patch for. Instead of providing a >> meaningful revie

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:30:10 -0700 John Griffith wrote: > I don't want to go into detail about who, what, where etc at this > point. I instead, I want to point out that in my opinion this is no > way to operate in an Open Source community. Collaboration is one > thing, but ambushing other peoples

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 03/01/2014 08:45 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. >> Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't >> participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. > Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate > on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community > awareness. >

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Anita Kuno
On 03/02/2014 07:10 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up >> recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this >> most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. > Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't > participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some > community awareness. > > We a

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Robert Collins
On 2 March 2014 12:30, John Griffith wrote: > Hey, > > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. > Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate > on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community > awareness. Thank you.

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Mark Collier
+hellyeah On Mar 1, 2014 7:45 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > > On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. > >   Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't > > participate on the ML typi

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know OpenS

[openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread John Griffith
Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know OpenStack is growing at a rapid pace and has a lot of