Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-13 Thread Brad Knowles
On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:19 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: I think growing up is accepting the pain that comes with picking a good name, rather than sidestepping the issue. I’ve heard the phrase that there are only two hard problems in computer science, and naming is one of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-11 Thread Jaesuk Ahn
+1 from me as well. 2015년 7월 10일 (금) 18:27, Neil Jerram neil.jer...@metaswitch.com님이 작성: On 10/07/15 10:19, Thierry Carrez wrote: Part of the confusion here is that we are not naming releases. We are naming release *cycles*. We are giving a name to a period of time, basically. In that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-11 Thread Neo Liu
+1 for this. On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:20 PM Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Adam Lawson wrote: The alternative of course is to just number the releases since names ultimately don't mean anything but it seems there are problems with that level of simplicity. I personally

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-11 Thread Chenhong Liu
+1 for this On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:20 PM Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Adam Lawson wrote: The alternative of course is to just number the releases since names ultimately don't mean anything but it seems there are problems with that level of simplicity. I personally prefer

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-11 Thread Jay Bryant
Thierry, Well put, and interesting. I didn't know about the other cultural concerns around numbers. Most importantly, I think using names for releases is better than numbers, creating a more personal connection to each release. Would hate to see that end. Unfortunately there isn't much we can

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
Adam Lawson wrote: The alternative of course is to just number the releases since names ultimately don't mean anything but it seems there are problems with that level of simplicity. I personally prefer Tristan's suggestion to keep it as simple as possible. In a few years we'll run out of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-10 Thread Neil Jerram
On 10/07/15 10:19, Thierry Carrez wrote: Part of the confusion here is that we are not naming releases. We are naming release *cycles*. We are giving a name to a period of time, basically. In that period of time, various version numbers for various components will be released. Saying Glance

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-09 Thread Adam Lawson
Yes I'm talking about vetting by legal since the community already vets via the usual process. Legal has stricter guidelines so we could start future vetting with legal to remove the options we can't use even if we wanted to. That's where the inefficiency lies imho. The issue with this particular

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-07-09 18:04:49 -0700 (-0700), Adam Lawson wrote: Yes I'm talking about vetting by legal since the community already vets via the usual process. Legal has stricter guidelines so we could start future vetting with legal to remove the options we can't use even if we wanted to. That's

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-09 Thread Adam Lawson
It seems we have a golden opportunity here to improve efficiency by vetting names before we vote on them. Seems that voting for a bunch of names then eliminating all of the top votes because they won't work doesn't strike me as very efficient (i.e. why vote on names that MIGHT be valid). The

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Openstack] Rescinding the M name decision

2015-07-09 Thread Anita Kuno
On 07/09/2015 07:16 PM, Adam Lawson wrote: It seems we have a golden opportunity here to improve efficiency by vetting names before we vote on them. The vetting from the crowd was intended to happen on the wikipage. I'm not sure how much vetting did take place but obviously not enough to give