Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-12-02 Thread Jordan OMara
On 01/12/13 00:27 -0500, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: I think we may all be approaching the planning of this project in the wrong way, because of confusions such as: Well, I think there is one small misunderstanding. I've never said that manual way should be primary workflow for us. I agree that we sh

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-12-02 Thread Matt Wagner
On Sun Dec 1 00:27:30 2013, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: > I think it's far more important that we list out requirements and > create a design document that people agree upon first. Otherwise, we > run the risk of focusing on feature X for release 1 without ensuring > that our architecture supports fea

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-30 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
I think we may all be approaching the planning of this project in the wrong way, because of confusions such as: > Well, I think there is one small misunderstanding. I've never said that > manual way should be primary workflow for us. I agree that we should lean > toward as much automation and sm

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-28 Thread Jiří Stránský
Hi all, just a few thoughts (subjective opinions) regarding the whole debate: * I think that having a manually picking images for machines approach would make TripleO more usable in the beginning. I think it will take a good deal of time to get our smart solution working with the admin rather

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-28 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2013/27/11 16:37, James Slagle wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: V0: basic slick installer - flexibility and control first - enable user to auto-discover (or manual register) nodes - let user decide, which node is going to be controller, which is going to be comp

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-28 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi Mark, thanks for your insight, I mostly agree. Just few points below. On 2013/27/11 21:54, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Jarda, ... Yes, I buy this. And I think it's the point worth dwelling on. It would be quite a bit of work to substantiate the point with hard data - e.g. doing user testing

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-28 Thread Ladislav Smola
Hello, just few notes from me: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-feature-map sounds like a great idea, we should go through them one by one maybe on meeting. We should agree on what is doable for I, without violating the Openstack way in some very ugly way. So do we want to be Openstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-28 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2013/28/11 06:41, Robert Collins wrote: Certainly. Do we have Personas for those people? (And have we done any validation of them?) We have shorter paragraph to each. But not verified by any survey, so we don't have very solid basis in this area right now and I believe we all are trying to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Robert Collins
On 28 November 2013 09:54, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > We take away an awful lot of placement control away from the > self-service in order to allow the operator to provide a usable, > large-scale, multi-tenant service. > > The difference with TripleO is that we assume the undercloud operator > and

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Robert Collins
Hey, I realise I've done a sort of point-bypoint thing below - sorry. Let me say that I'm glad you're focused on what will help users, and their needs - I am too. Hopefully we can figure out why we have different opinions about what things are key, and/or how we can get data to better understand ou

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Jarda, On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:39 +0100, Jaromir Coufal wrote: > I think here is the main point where I disagree and which leads to > different approaches. I don't think, that user of TripleO cares *only* > about deploying infrastructure without any knowledge where the things > go. This is

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
- Original Message - > > On 2013/27/11 00:00, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > On 26 November 2013 07:41, Jaromir Coufal wrote: > > > > Hey Rob, > > can we add 'Slick Overcloud deployment through the UI' to the list? There > was no session about that, but we discussed it afterwords

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread James Slagle
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: > V0: basic slick installer - flexibility and control first > - enable user to auto-discover (or manual register) nodes > - let user decide, which node is going to be controller, which is going to > be compute or storage > - associate images

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-27 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2013/27/11 00:00, Robert Collins wrote: On 26 November 2013 07:41, Jaromir Coufal wrote: Hey Rob, can we add 'Slick Overcloud deployment through the UI' to the list? There was no session about that, but we discussed it afterwords and agreed that it is high priority for Icehouse as well. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-26 Thread Robert Collins
On 26 November 2013 07:41, Jaromir Coufal wrote: > Hey Rob, > > can we add 'Slick Overcloud deployment through the UI' to the list? There > was no session about that, but we discussed it afterwords and agreed that it > is high priority for Icehouse as well. > > I just want to keep it on the list,

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-25 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hey Rob, can we add 'Slick Overcloud deployment through the UI' to the list? There was no session about that, but we discussed it afterwords and agreed that it is high priority for Icehouse as well. I just want to keep it on the list, so we are aware of that. Thanks -- Jarda On 2013/25/11 0

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Summit session wrapup

2013-11-24 Thread Robert Collins
I've now gone through and done the post summit cleanup of blueprints and migration of design docs into blueprints as appropriate. We had 50 odd blueprints, many of where were really not effective blueprints - they described single work items with little coordination need, were not changelog items,