[openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open the flood gates for even more python3 problems to be found and fixed. Recently a proposal was made to make oslo.messaging start to run python3 tests[2], and

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Ken Giusti
Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for the "qpid://" transport (aka rpc_backend). I ask because I'm maintaining the AMQP 1.0 driver (transport "amqp://") that can also be used with qpidd. However, the A

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 4/14/2015 12:22 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open the flood gates for even more python3 problems to be found and fixed. Recently a proposal was made to make osl

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/14/2015 01:22 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for > core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open > the flood gates for even more python3 problems to be found and fixed. > > Recently a proposal was made to m

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2015-04-14 13:13:47 -0700: > > On 4/14/2015 12:22 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > > Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for > > core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open > > the flood gates for even more

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-14 12:54:20 -0700: > Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based > impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for > the "qpid://" transport (aka rpc_backend). > > I ask because I'm maintaining the AMQP 1.0 dri

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Joshua Harlow
Ken Giusti wrote: Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for the "qpid://" transport (aka rpc_backend). I ask because I'm maintaining the AMQP 1.0 driver (transport "amqp://") that can also be used with qp

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Fox, Kevin M
rdo packstack deploys rabbit these days too. Thanks, Kevin From: Clint Byrum [cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 3:20 PM To: openstack-dev Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 14/04/15 10:22 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open the flood gates for even more python3 problems to be found and fixed. Recently a proposal was made to make osl

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] > I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list And I'd recommend subscribing to it... it's really quite good! He did (twice apparently, I expect the second by mistake): http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list And I'd recommend subscribing to it... it's really quite good! He did (twice apparently, I expect the second by mistake): h

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Sean Dague
On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: >> [...] >>> I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list >> >> And I'd recommend subscribing to it... it's really quite good! He

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-04-15 01:26:21 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > >On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: > >[...] > >>I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list > > > >And I'd recommend subscribing to it... it's really

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Chris Dent
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Sean Dague wrote: It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those other backends, deprecate the plugability, and move on to more interesting problems. We do have plenty of them to solve. :) Perhaps in doing so we could get a better Rabbit implementati

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 14/04/15 19:54 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list And I'd recommend subscribing to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 15/04/15 00:04 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:26:21 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: >[...] >>I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list > >And I'd reco

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-04-15 11:53:28 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] > When I proposed removing the GridFS driver from glance_store, I asked > for feedback in other mailing lists and then came back here proposing > de dev removal. Got it--so the recommendation is to not ask the developer community un

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Ken Giusti
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > Ken Giusti wrote: >> >> Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based >> impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for >> the "qpid://" transport (aka rpc_backend). >> >> I ask because I'm maintaining

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Joshua Harlow
Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 19:54 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list And I'd re

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: > On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > > On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > >> On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: > >> [...] > >>> I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing l

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 09:31:18 -0400: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > > Ken Giusti wrote: > >> > >> Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based > >> impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for > >> t

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: > Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: > > > > It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those > > other backends, deprecate the plugability, and move on to more > > interesting pr

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Monty Taylor
On 04/14/2015 08:21 PM, Chris Dent wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Sean Dague wrote: > >> It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those >> other backends, deprecate the plugability, and move on to more >> interesting problems. We do have plenty of them to solve. :) Perhaps

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-04-15 10:48:30 -0700: > Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: > > Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: > > > > > > It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those > > > oth

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Ken Giusti
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 09:31:18 -0400: >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: >> > Ken Giusti wrote: >> >> >> >> Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based >> >> impl_qpid.py

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 11:02:34 -0700: > Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-04-15 10:48:30 -0700: > > Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: > > > Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: > > > > > > > > It's

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 14:08:57 -0400: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 09:31:18 -0400: > >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow > >> wrote: > >> > Ken Giusti wrote: > >> >> > >> >> J

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Sean Dague
On 04/15/2015 01:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: >> Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: >>> >>> It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those >>> other backends, deprecate the plug

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
As a result of all of the excellent discussions here, I have produced a spec for policy which I think will assist us all in moving forward on improving the quality in this space: https://review.openstack.org/174105 Thanks everyone for your excellent replies! Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message o

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Joshua Harlow
Ken Giusti wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 09:31:18 -0400: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Ken Giusti wrote: Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based impl_qpid.py dri

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 15/04/15 09:09 -0700, Joshua Harlow wrote: Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 19:54 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] I'd recommend sending

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-16 Thread Ken Giusti
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > Ken Giusti wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Doug Hellmann >> wrote: >>> >>> Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-15 09:31:18 -0400: On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > > Ken Giu

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-16 Thread Attila Fazekas
- Original Message - > From: "Ken Giusti" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:47:50 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and > untested i

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-15 15:10:54 -0400: > On 04/15/2015 01:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: > >> Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: > >>> > >>> It's time to be honest about the le