Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-28 Thread Joshua Harlow
Matt Riedemann wrote: On 9/28/2016 12:10 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: ACTION: we should make sure workarounds are advertised better ACTION: we should have some document about "when cells"? This is a difficult question to answer because "it depends." It's akin to asking "how many

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-28 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/28/2016 12:10 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: ACTION: we should make sure workarounds are advertised better ACTION: we should have some document about "when cells"? This is a difficult question to answer because "it depends." It's akin to asking "how many nova-api/nova-conductor processes should

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-27 Thread Joshua Harlow
ACTION: we should make sure workarounds are advertised better ACTION: we should have some document about "when cells"? This is a difficult question to answer because "it depends." It's akin to asking "how many nova-api/nova-conductor processes should I run?" Well, what hardware is being used,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-27 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/20/2016 11:16 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: NB the bug was non-deterministic and rare, even in the gate, so the real test is whether it gets past the gate 20 times in a row :-) Regards, Daniel It was about a 25% job failure rate in the gate when we disabled live snapshots with the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-27 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/20/2016 9:22 AM, Dan Smith wrote: I'll also see about writing up some docs about the expected workflow here. Presumably that needs to go in some fancy docs and not into the devref, right? Can anyone point me to where that should go? --Dan I'd think something in here:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:36:29AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: > On 09/20/2016 11:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01:23AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: > >> On 09/20/2016 10:38 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:20:15AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 04:20:49PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01:23AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: [...] > > Here is my reconstruction of the snapshot issue from what I can remember > > of the conversation. > > > > Nova defaults to live snapshots. This uses the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/20/2016 11:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01:23AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: >> On 09/20/2016 10:38 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:20:15AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:01:23AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: > On 09/20/2016 10:38 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:20:15AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: > >> This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting back to > >> writing up my experiences at the Ops

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Tim Bell
On 20 Sep 2016, at 16:38, Sean Dague > wrote: ... There were also general questions about what scale cells should be considered at. ACTION: we should make sure workarounds are advertised better ACTION: we should have some document about "when cells"? This

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/20/2016 10:38 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:20:15AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: >> This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting back to >> writing up my experiences at the Ops Meetup. >> >> Nova Feedback Session >> = >> >> We

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:20:15AM -0400, Sean Dague wrote: > This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting back to > writing up my experiences at the Ops Meetup. > > Nova Feedback Session > = > > We had a double session for Feedback for Nova from Operators,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/20/2016 10:22 AM, Andrew Laski wrote: > Excellent writeup, thanks. Some comments inline. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 09:20 AM, Sean Dague wrote: >> >> >> Performance Bottlenecks >> --- >> >> * scheduling issues with Ironic - (this is a bug we got through during >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Andrew Laski
Excellent writeup, thanks. Some comments inline. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 09:20 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > > > Performance Bottlenecks > --- > > * scheduling issues with Ironic - (this is a bug we got through during > the week after the session) > * live snapshots actually

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Dan Smith
> The current DB online data upgrade model feels *very opaque* to > ops. They didn't realize the current model Nova was using, and didn't > feel like it was documented anywhere. > ACTION: document the DB data lifecycle better for operators This is on me, so I'll take it. I've just thrown

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Anita Kuno
On 16-09-20 09:20 AM, Sean Dague wrote: This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting back to writing up my experiences at the Ops Meetup. Nova Feedback Session = We had a double session for Feedback for Nova from Operators, raw etherpad here -

[openstack-dev] [nova] ops meetup feedback

2016-09-20 Thread Sean Dague
This is a bit delayed due to the release rush, finally getting back to writing up my experiences at the Ops Meetup. Nova Feedback Session = We had a double session for Feedback for Nova from Operators, raw etherpad here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Nova. The