Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/09/2016 06:21 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > This thread is completely and totally inappropriate. Attacking a person > the mailing list is a violation of our community standards. Monty, I don't take it lightly either. Please think twice about who's behavior is inappropriate. Because I've seen

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

This thread is completely and totally inappropriate. Attacking a person the mailing list is a violation of our community standards. I'm going to respond to a different email in the chain because Anne asks a question. However, this approach to this problem is categorically unacceptable in

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On Apr 9, 2016 11:51 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: > The standing issue that I recall that raises the maintenance burden is > the use of debconf rather than/in addition to manual config file edits > as per the other distros. I can't remember whether you already tried a > version

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

As I've commented on Matthew's patch to the guide, you may just ask apt not to ask questions provided by debconf, by prepending DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive to it. Of course you will need to add more options in case of an upgrade if you want to get rid of all the questions, like adding

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

Tom, Would you elaborate more? - Original Message - From: "Tom Fifield" <t...@openstack.org> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 6:20:31 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from t

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 09/04/16 14:49, Thomas Goirand wrote: I still don't have any idea what's wrong with the Debian guide. The standing issue that I recall that raises the maintenance burden is the use of debconf rather than/in addition to manual config file edits as per the other distros. I can't remember

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/08/2016 11:57 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > Sorry it didn't come across as a joke, but that's what the '/s' was for. Maybe I'm getting old, but that's the first time I read that '/s' means joke. Does it stand for "" ? > I will be at summit in Austin at a bunch of the cross project stuff >

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/09/2016 02:05 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: > I have another idea for a way forward that doesn't require consensus > across teams. Now that we have the governance in place for debian > packaging, let's move the debian install guide to a new repo that can go > under the packaging project, and you

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 09/04/16 10:05, Anne Gentle wrote: > Okay. I'll try to propose an idea. > > In the Mitaka install spec review, [1] I asked if the drama was worth the > extra effort to remove. Personally I don't believe so, having refereed this > discussion for years now. > > I think you're both reasonable

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

Okay. I'll try to propose an idea. In the Mitaka install spec review, [1] I asked if the drama was worth the extra effort to remove. Personally I don't believe so, having refereed this discussion for years now. I think you're both reasonable people and do believe in OpenStack. You both want it

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/08/2016 03:16 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/08/2016 07:47 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> On 04/08/2016 11:47 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> Another thing is that the Debian packages are the only ones available >>> for many services, as Canonical doesn't work on them (these packages are >>>

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/08/2016 07:47 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 04/08/2016 11:47 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> Another thing is that the Debian packages are the only ones available >> for many services, as Canonical doesn't work on them (these packages are >> just sync from Debian, at best). So we'd be

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

On 04/08/2016 11:47 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Another thing is that the Debian packages are the only ones available > for many services, as Canonical doesn't work on them (these packages are > just sync from Debian, at best). So we'd be effectively removing the > only OS where it can be

Re: [openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

I forgot... I'd also like to point out that I can fix any bug open tagged for Debian, if someone opens it and if it is *actionable* (ie: not the way that Matthew adopted when he reported bugs about 2 years ago). So far, I haven't been pointed at any bug opened. Neither I've been involved in the

[openstack-dev] Constant attempts from Matthew Kassawara to remove Debian from the install-guide

I don't do ab-dominem pointing fingers. I believe this is normally detrimental to the project. However, I don't have any choice in this case. Matthew is consistently attempting to remove the Debian support from the install-guide. He's doing it again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302934/ And