Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-06 Thread James E. Blair
Sean Dague s...@dague.net writes: #1) do we believe OFTC is fundamentally better equipped to resist a DDOS, or do we just believe they are a smaller target? The ongoing DDOS on meetup.com the past 2 weeks is a good indicator that being a smaller fish only helps for so long. After speaking

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-06 Thread CARVER, PAUL
James E. Blair [mailto:jebl...@openstack.org] wrote: significant amount of time chasing bots. It's clear that Freenode is better able to deal with attacks than OFTC would be. However, OFTC doesn't have to deal with them because they aren't happening; and that's worth considering. Does anyone

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-06 Thread Kurt Griffiths
The fact is though that Freenode has had significant service degradation due to DDoS attacks for quite some time Rather than jumping ship, is there anything we as a community can do to help Freenode? This would obviously require a commitment of time/money, but it could be worth it for something

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Julien Danjou
On Tue, Mar 04 2014, James E. Blair wrote: If there aren't objections to this plan, I think we can propose a motion to the TC with a date and move forward with it fairly soon. That plan LGTM, and +1 for OFTC. :) -- Julien Danjou /* Free Software hacker http://julien.danjou.info */

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and established alternative to Freenode. It is a

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Stephen Gran
On 04/03/14 11:01, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and established

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stephen Gran wrote: On 04/03/14 11:01, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:12:13AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: On 04/03/14 11:01, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Sergey Lukjanov
++, OFTC looks nice. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:12:13AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: On 04/03/14 11:01, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/04/2014 06:13 PM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Tue, Mar 04 2014, James E. Blair wrote: If there aren't objections to this plan, I think we can propose a motion to the TC with a date and move forward with it fairly soon. That plan LGTM, and +1 for OFTC. :) Same over here, +1 for OFTC.

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Jarret Raim
#1) do we believe OFTC is fundamentally better equipped to resist a DDOS, or do we just believe they are a smaller target? The ongoing DDOS on meetup.com the past 2 weeks is a good indicator that being a smaller fish only helps for so long. It seems like we would need a answer to this question.

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Brian Cline
On 03/04/2014 05:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Stefano Maffulli
-1 to the switch from me. this question from Sean is of fundamental value: On 03/03/2014 03:19 PM, Sean Dague wrote: #1) do we believe OFTC is fundamentally better equipped to resist a DDOS, or do we just believe they are a smaller target? The ongoing DDOS on meetup.com the past 2 weeks is a

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Douglas Mendizabal
I agree with Stefano. Migrating the entire community to a new service would be incredibly painful. It seems the pain of moving is not justified if we don’t know for a fact that OFTC would be more resilient to DDoS attacks. -1 to the switch as well. -Doug Mendizabal On 3/4/14, 2:48 PM,

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-04 Thread Jay S Bryant
From: Brian Cline br...@linux.vnet.ibm.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 03/04/2014 12:29 PM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC On 03/04/2014 05:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Freenode has been having a rough

[openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread James E. Blair
Hi, Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and established alternative to Freenode. It is a smaller network whose mission

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/03/2014 06:07 PM, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and established

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On Mon, 2014-03-03 at 15:07 -0800, James E. Blair wrote: Hi, Freenode has been having a rough time lately due to a series of DDoS attacks which have been increasingly disruptive to collaboration. Fortunately there's an alternative. OFTC URL:http://www.oftc.net/ is a robust and established

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread James E. Blair
Sean Dague s...@dague.net writes: [I don't have anything substantial to add to q1 right now, though it's a good one.] #2) how bad do we believe nick contention might be in this transition? We've got 1000+ people that have well known nicks on freenode, that might hit conflicts on oftc. Now

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread Russell Bryant
On 03/03/2014 06:07 PM, James E. Blair wrote: If there aren't objections to this plan, I think we can propose a motion to the TC with a date and move forward with it fairly soon. Sounds good to me. The plan sounds well thought out and I trust your judgement on the topic. :-) Also, your

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal to move from Freenode to OFTC

2014-03-03 Thread Zhongyue Luo
FYI http://www.oftc.net/Services/#register-your-account On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, James E. Blair jebl...@openstack.orgwrote: Sean Dague s...@dague.net writes: [I don't have anything substantial to add to q1 right now, though it's a good one.] #2) how bad do we believe nick