Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-29 Thread George Shuklin
Hello. If we have two computes, and each is network node, that means both hosts a router. Let say we have two tenants with two instance and two compute hosts. Compute1-tenant1-instance1 compute2-tenant2-instance2 But neutron have no idea about this. Someone asks him 'put router to any l3-ag

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/20/2014 11:16 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > do 'network node on compute' is kinda sad Why? Thomas ___ OpenStack-operators mailing list OpenStack-operators@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-21 Thread George Shuklin
Directions: nova->switch port, switch port -> glance, glance->switch port (to swift). I assume traffic from switch to swift outside installation. Glance-api receive and send same amount of traffic. It sounds like a minor issue until you starts to count CPU IRQ time of network card (doubled co

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-21 Thread Michael Dorman
This is great info, George. Could you explain the 3x snapshot transport under the traditional Glance setup, please? I understand that you have compute —> glance, and glance —> swift. But what’s the third transfer? Thanks! Mike On 1/21/15, 10:36 AM, "George Shuklin" wrote: >Ok, news so

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-21 Thread George Shuklin
Ok, news so far: It works like a magic. Nova have option [glance] host=127.0.0.1 And I do not need to cheat with endpoint resolving (my initial plan was to resolve glance endpoint to 127.0.0.1 with /etc/hosts magic). Normal glance-api reply to external clients requests (image-create/download/

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-18 Thread matt
+1 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On 01/15/2015 05:20 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > >> Hello everyone. >> >> One more thing in the light of small openstack. >> >> I really dislike tripple network load caused by current glance snapshot >> operations. When compute do snapshot,

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-18 Thread Jay Pipes
On 01/15/2015 05:20 PM, George Shuklin wrote: Hello everyone. One more thing in the light of small openstack. I really dislike tripple network load caused by current glance snapshot operations. When compute do snapshot, it playing with files locally, than it sends them to glance-api, and (if gl

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-18 Thread Joe Gordon
On Dec 22, 2014 1:58 PM, "Tom Fifield" wrote: > > On 21/12/14 08:09, matt wrote: > > the only issue with nova-network here is that it's FINALLY slated to be > > removed in the next release. This is simply not true. While we are trying to deprecate nova network this hasn't happened yet. > > Is it

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-15 Thread George Shuklin
We do not using centralized storages (all instances running with local drives). And I just can't express my happiness about this. Every time monitoring send me '** PROBLEM ALERT bla-bla-bla', I know it not a big deal. Just one server. I do not want to turn gray prematurely. Just light glance o

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-15 Thread Abel Lopez
That specific bottleneck can be solved by running glance on ceph, and running ephemeral instances also on ceph. Snapshots are a quick backend operation then. But you've made your installation on a house of cards. On Thursday, January 15, 2015, George Shuklin wrote: > Hello everyone. > > One more

[Openstack-operators] Small openstack (part 2), distributed glance

2015-01-15 Thread George Shuklin
Hello everyone. One more thing in the light of small openstack. I really dislike tripple network load caused by current glance snapshot operations. When compute do snapshot, it playing with files locally, than it sends them to glance-api, and (if glance API is linked to swift), glance sends t

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-13 Thread gustavo panizzo (gfa)
forgot to send this email before On 01/09/2015 12:50 AM, Kris G. Lindgren wrote: >>> neutron net-create --shared should do the trick >> >> I guess the problem is that I was creating *external* _and_ *shared* >> network, but if I don't want to use floating IPs from that network I >> probably don't

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-12 Thread George Shuklin
Wow. Real problem. I check it - it allows one tenant to interrupt traffic on other. I was not able to intercept TCP traffic, victim lost connection and TCP was struggling with retransmissions, but it was not good. But idea of 'no routers in software' is too appealing. I think I'll stick with

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-09 Thread Kris G. Lindgren
George, >From past experience you can not have both nova and neutron security groups enabled at the same time. If you use nova security groups - then I believe they have the appropriate stuff in place to prevent the arp spoofing and other associated stuff. However - if you want the ability to app

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-09 Thread George Shuklin
On 01/09/2015 09:25 PM, Kris G. Lindgren wrote: > Also, If you are running this configuration you should be aware of the > following bug: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 > > And the corresponding fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141130/ > > Basically - Neutron security grou

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-09 Thread Kris G. Lindgren
Also, If you are running this configuration you should be aware of the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 And the corresponding fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141130/ Basically - Neutron security group rules do nothing to protect against arp spoofing/poisoning

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread Kris G. Lindgren
On 1/8/15, 4:34 AM, "Antonio Messina" wrote: >On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) >wrote: >> >> >> On 01/08/2015 07:01 PM, Antonio Messina wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) >>> >>> wrote: >> >> i may be wrong as i haven't tested

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread Antonio Messina
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) wrote: > > > On 01/08/2015 07:01 PM, Antonio Messina wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) >> wrote: > > >>> >>> i may be wrong as i haven't tested that on juno, but in icehouse and >>> havana >>> i've setup ext

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread gustavo panizzo (gfa)
On 01/08/2015 07:01 PM, Antonio Messina wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) wrote: i may be wrong as i haven't tested that on juno, but in icehouse and havana i've setup external/provider networks one for each tenant Ah, ok, this is the point. What I would like

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread Antonio Messina
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, gustavo panizzo (gfa) wrote: > On 01/08/2015 06:36 PM, Antonio Messina wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:31 AM, George Shuklin >> wrote: >>> >>> Report on progress so far: >>> >>> I was able to fix policies (nova/neutron) to allow tennants to plug to >>> 'own'

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread gustavo panizzo (gfa)
On 01/08/2015 06:36 PM, Antonio Messina wrote: Hi all, I'm also interested in this setup. On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:31 AM, George Shuklin wrote: Report on progress so far: I was able to fix policies (nova/neutron) to allow tennants to plug to 'own' external networks, found and report few b

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2015-01-08 Thread Antonio Messina
Hi all, I'm also interested in this setup. On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:31 AM, George Shuklin wrote: > Report on progress so far: > > I was able to fix policies (nova/neutron) to allow tennants to plug to 'own' > external networks, found and report few bugs about error messaging in ML2, > got worki

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-25 Thread George Shuklin
Report on progress so far: I was able to fix policies (nova/neutron) to allow tennants to plug to 'own' external networks, found and report few bugs about error messaging in ML2, got working dhcp-agent (on external network! haha). Right now it works with cirros (even metadata is ok), but does

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-22 Thread Kris G. Lindgren
quot; mailto:openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack Sounds like a solid way to approach it george. I hope you can document and share your methods and experiences. Sounds like this would be helpful to folks setting up small test environm

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-22 Thread matt
Sounds like a solid way to approach it george. I hope you can document and share your methods and experiences. Sounds like this would be helpful to folks setting up small test environments. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:35 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > Thank you for everyone! > > After some lurking

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-22 Thread George Shuklin
Thank you for everyone! After some lurking around I found rather unusual way: use external networks on per-tennant based with directly attached interfaces. This will not only eliminate neutron nodes (as heavy server), but will remove NAT and simplify everything for tenant. All we need just a s

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-21 Thread Tom Fifield
On 21/12/14 08:09, matt wrote: > the only issue with nova-network here is that it's FINALLY slated to be > removed in the next release. Is it? :) Based on recent emails, it seems like the requisite migration path might not make it (and here's also hoping that DVR improves). The other thing to note

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-21 Thread Jesse Keating
On 12/20/14 2:16 PM, George Shuklin wrote: I've suddenly got request for small installation of openstack (about 3-5 computes). They need almost nothing (just a management panel to span simple instances, few friendly tennants), and I curious, is nova-network good solution for this? They don't wa

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-21 Thread George Shuklin
On 12/21/2014 10:42 AM, Xav Paice wrote: On 21/12/14 11:16, George Shuklin wrote: Hello. I've suddenly got request for small installation of openstack (about 3-5 computes). They need almost nothing (just a management panel to span simple instances, few friendly tennants), and I curious, is nov

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-21 Thread Xav Paice
On 21/12/14 11:16, George Shuklin wrote: > Hello. > > I've suddenly got request for small installation of openstack (about > 3-5 computes). > > They need almost nothing (just a management panel to span simple > instances, few friendly tennants), and I curious, is nova-network good > solution for th

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-20 Thread George Shuklin
And network node goes to...? I mean, you suggest to use one compute as network node? IMHO it gonna be really unbalanced. And neutron-on-the-every-compute (DVVR) is tech. preview yet... On 12/21/2014 01:09 AM, matt wrote: the only issue with nova-network here is that it's FINALLY slated to be r

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-20 Thread matt
missed that last question. yes i've put management services on compute nodes in mild production. It works fine. -matt On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM, matt wrote: > the only issue with nova-network here is that it's FINALLY slated to be > removed in the next release. > > so yes it will work,

Re: [Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-20 Thread matt
the only issue with nova-network here is that it's FINALLY slated to be removed in the next release. so yes it will work, and it may even be optimal for this size deployment, but it will NOT be at all future proofed. I'd go with neutron as of now. -matt On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 5:16 PM, George S

[Openstack-operators] Small openstack

2014-12-20 Thread George Shuklin
Hello. I've suddenly got request for small installation of openstack (about 3-5 computes). They need almost nothing (just a management panel to span simple instances, few friendly tennants), and I curious, is nova-network good solution for this? They don't want network node and do 'network n