Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-06 Thread Mike Dorman
will probably be much easier to go from no cells to cells v2 than cells v1 to v2. Mike From: Joseph Bajin Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 8:06 AM Cc: OpenStack Operators Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location Just to add in my $0.02, we run in multiple sites as well. We

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-06 Thread Joseph Bajin
Just to add in my $0.02, we run in multiple sites as well. We are using regions to do this. Cells at this point have a lot going for it, but we thought it wasn't there yet. We also don't have the necessary resources to make our own changes to it like a few other places do. With that, we said th

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-05 Thread Clayton O'Neill
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Curtis wrote: > Do people have any comments or strategies on dealing with Galera > replication across the WAN using regions? Seems like something to try > to avoid if possible, though might not be possible. Any thoughts on > that? > We're doing this with good luc

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-05 Thread Matt Fischer
We do it with some of our databases (horizon, designate, and keystone) and we run a arbitrator process (garbd) in a 3rd DC. We have lots of low latency bandwidth which you have to be careful with. My recommendation would be that you need to know your network well and have good monitoring in place.

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-05 Thread Curtis
Do people have any comments or strategies on dealing with Galera replication across the WAN using regions? Seems like something to try to avoid if possible, though might not be possible. Any thoughts on that? Thanks, Curtis. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > I agree with Sub

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-05 Thread Jonathan Proulx
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: > Do you need users to be able to see it as one cloud, with a single API > endpoint? Define need :) As many of you know my cloud is a University system and researchers are nothing if not lazy, in the best possible sense of course :) So having

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-05 Thread George Shuklin
Second installation, IMHO. Everything else would make it less robust. On 05/04/2015 11:40 PM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: Hi All, We're about to expand our OpenStack Cloud to a second datacenter. Anyone one have opinions they'd like to share as to what I would and should be worrying about or how to

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Tim Bell
CERN runs two data centres in Geneva (3.5MW) and Budapest (2.7MW), around 1,200 KMs . We have two 100Gb/s links between the two sites and latency of around 22ms. We run this as a single cloud with 13 cells. Each cell is only in one data centre. We wanted a single API endpoint from the user pers

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Tom Fifield
On 05/05/15 04:40, Jonathan Proulx wrote: Hi All, We're about to expand our OpenStack Cloud to a second datacenter. Anyone one have opinions they'd like to share as to what I would and should be worrying about or how to structure this? Should I be thinking cells or regions (or maybe both)? A

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Joe Topjian
Hi Jon, We're about to expand our OpenStack Cloud to a second datacenter. > Congratulations! :) > Anyone one have opinions they'd like to share as to what I would and > should be worrying about or how to structure this? What services will be shared between the two locations? Keystone with db

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Jesse Keating
I agree with Subbu. You'll want that to be a region so that the control plane is mostly contained. Only Keystone (and swift if you have that) would be doing lots of site to site communication to keep databases in sync. http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/content/multi_site.html is a good read on

Re: [Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Allamaraju, Subbu
I suggest building a new AZ (“region” in OpenStack parlance) in the new location. In general I would avoid setting up control plane to operate across multiple facilities unless the cloud is very large. > On May 4, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: > > Hi All, > > We're about to expand

[Openstack-operators] expanding to 2nd location

2015-05-04 Thread Jonathan Proulx
Hi All, We're about to expand our OpenStack Cloud to a second datacenter. Anyone one have opinions they'd like to share as to what I would and should be worrying about or how to structure this? Should I be thinking cells or regions (or maybe both)? Any obvious or not so obvious pitfalls I should