Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-23 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 22. 2007 16:02]: > On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 03:11:05PM +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > > > The parsing speed is what should be improved in 10.3, but what is faster, > > > download or parsing, depends on Internet connection speed, internal > > > comput

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-23 Thread Klaus Kaempf
* Christian Boltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Apr 22. 2007 16:32]: > > What about using zsync? I never used it myself, but what I read on > http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ looks very promising :-) We are looking into zsync for openSuSE 10.3 Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-23 Thread Gaël Lams
Well, Herr Kuhlmann, have you ever considered that the average dialup user wouldn't be stupid enough to try applying remote updates over his link? Unless he was incredibly desperate not to have his Apache server hacked XD Almost ALL computers these days have a broadband connection of some form.

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Joerg Mayer
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 11:16:12AM +1000, Horst G?nther Burkhardt III wrote: > > Uhhm, you're talking about downloading the updates/repodata/*.xml.gz > > files? For the 10.2 updates that's about 13MB currently. I'd be very > > interested to hear how you download that over a dialup at a realistic >

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: >> The parsing speed is what should be improved in 10.3, but what is faster, >> download or parsing, depends on Internet connection speed, internal computer >> I/O speed, amount of RAM and CPU speed. > > In my opinion

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 22 April 2007 08:11, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > > The parsing speed is what should be improved in 10.3, but what is faster, > > download or parsing, depends on Internet connection speed, internal > > computer I/O speed, amount of RAM and CPU speed. > > In my opinion the evaluation of ho

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
> The parsing speed is what should be improved in 10.3, but what is faster, > download or parsing, depends on Internet connection speed, internal computer > I/O speed, amount of RAM and CPU speed. In my opinion the evaluation of how the update system work should be independent from users' habit

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Sonntag, 22. April 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > On Sun 22 Apr 2007 20:28:37 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > > Also the update source is not relevant here is it? When > > opensuseupdater tells you that updates are available the update > > repo has already been refreshed hasn't it?

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Schlander schreef: > Den Sunday 22 April 2007 09:59:47 skrev Marcus Meissner: >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 12:06:54PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: >>> On Sun 22 Apr 2007 05:38:30 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: But the problem is not t

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 03:11:05PM +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > > The parsing speed is what should be improved in 10.3, but what is faster, > > download or parsing, depends on Internet connection speed, internal > > computer > > I/O speed, amount of RAM and CPU speed. In general, our li

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 22 April 2007 07:09, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > > IMHO, the feeling about update speed is, in a part, problem for people > > used to limitations and different approach in another OS. > > In my opinion the update speed is not unimportant. It's true you don't > have to look at it and work

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
> IMHO, the feeling about update speed is, in a part, problem for people used > to > limitations and different approach in another OS. In my opinion the update speed is not unimportant. It's true you don't have to look at it and work while YaST is updating your system. But having a slow update

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sun 22 Apr 2007 20:28:37 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > Also the update source is not relevant here is it? When opensuseupdater tells > you that updates are available the update repo has already been refreshed > hasn't it? So it won't need to download new metadata again at YOU startup.

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Sunday 22 April 2007 09:59:47 skrev Marcus Meissner: > On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 12:06:54PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > On Sun 22 Apr 2007 05:38:30 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > > > But the problem is not the downloading of updated metadata, which > > > usually takes a few seconds t

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-22 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 12:06:54PM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > On Sun 22 Apr 2007 05:38:30 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > > > But the problem is not the downloading of updated metadata, which usually > > takes a few seconds tops. > > Uhhm, you're talking about downloading the updates/

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Rajko M.
On Saturday 21 April 2007 12:35, Christian Jäger wrote: > It certainly doesn't need to check _all_ > installation sources IMHO. This is a real waste of time. > > See also https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=266864. For technical part you already have answers. IMHO, the feeling about upda

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Horst Günther Burkhardt III
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > On Sun 22 Apr 2007 05:38:30 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > > > But the problem is not the downloading of updated metadata, which usually > > takes a few seconds tops. > > Uhhm, you're talking about downloading the updates/repodata/*.xml.gz >

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sun 22 Apr 2007 05:38:30 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote: > But the problem is not the downloading of updated metadata, which usually > takes a few seconds tops. Uhhm, you're talking about downloading the updates/repodata/*.xml.gz files? For the 10.2 updates that's about 13MB currently. I'

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Benji Weber
On 4/21/07, Christian Jäger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What if other vendors add patch-priority packages into their > repository, eg for security updates? We shouldn't discriminate against > them. > > _ > Benjamin Weber > I'm not quite sure I understood that correctly. Are you talking about pa

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Christian Jäger
> What if other vendors add patch-priority packages into their > repository, eg for security updates? We shouldn't discriminate against > them. > > _ > Benjamin Weber > I'm not quite sure I understood that correctly. Are you talking about patches present in a repo different from the one a hypoth

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Saturday 21 April 2007 19:35:36 skrev Christian Jäger: > I think it would spare many users a lot of annoyance if updates went a > little more quickly and silently. I can just about understand that any > time I want to install a package, YaST refreshed all > installation-sources (though this is

Re: [opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Benji Weber
On 4/21/07, Christian Jäger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I think it would spare many users a lot of annoyance if updates went a little more quickly and silently. I can just about understand that any time I want to install a package, YaST refreshed all installation-sources (though this is al

[opensuse-factory] [suggestion] YaST-update should NOT refresh all installation-sources when called by opensuse-updater

2007-04-21 Thread Christian Jäger
Hello, I think it would spare many users a lot of annoyance if updates went a little more quickly and silently. I can just about understand that any time I want to install a package, YaST refreshed all installation-sources (though this is also debateable - wouldn't one update a day suffice?); but