Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-10 Thread Elliott Mitchell
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 02:43:08AM +0100, Joseph Mullally wrote: > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 7:35 AM Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > > > The last generic OpenWRT x86 5.15 image I built less than a week ago > > produced a roughly 28MB vmlinux.bin file. Some of that disappears since > > initialization

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-04 Thread Joseph Mullally
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 7:35 AM Elliott Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 03:50:05AM +0100, Daniel Golle wrote: > > On Wed, May 03, 2023 at 06:36:10PM -0700, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > > On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > > On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-04 Thread Elliott Mitchell
On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 03:50:05AM +0100, Daniel Golle wrote: > On Wed, May 03, 2023 at 06:36:10PM -0700, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > > > Well, was a specific objective

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-03 Thread Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
Hi On 2023-05-03, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott Mitchell wrote: [...] > > Then there is the virtualized drivers that were just added to the kernel > > and not properly modulized, maybe it was easier like

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-03 Thread Daniel Golle
On Wed, May 03, 2023 at 06:36:10PM -0700, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > > > > On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > > Well, was a specific objective ever chosen for the x86 version of > > > OpenWRT? > > > > > > I can

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-03 Thread Elliott Mitchell
On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 02:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > Well, was a specific objective ever chosen for the x86 version of > > OpenWRT? > > > > I can state my goal/hope for OpenWRT/x86. The *WRT Linux distributions > > were so named

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-02 Thread Philip Prindeville
> On May 1, 2023, at 6:59 PM, Alberto Bursi wrote: > > > > On 01/05/23 06:40, Philip Prindeville wrote: >>> On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: > [snip] >>> See above: the radios

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Alberto Bursi
On 26/04/23 22:17, Elliott Mitchell wrote: Well, was a specific objective ever chosen for the x86 version of OpenWRT? I can state my goal/hope for OpenWRT/x86. The *WRT Linux distributions were so named for originally targeting the LinkSys WRT54G. This was a small AP, so one might expect

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Alberto Bursi
On 01/05/23 06:40, Philip Prindeville wrote: On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: [snip] See above: the radios and antennae I can get as add-ons for a Xeon-D 1U pizza box or even an APU6 mPCIe

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Philip Prindeville
> On May 1, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Daniel Golle wrote: > > On Mon, May 01, 2023 at 09:01:29AM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: >> >> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Mullally wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:43 AM Philip Prindeville >>> wrote: > On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM,

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Daniel Golle
On Mon, May 01, 2023 at 09:01:29AM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: > > > > On May 1, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Mullally wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:43 AM Philip Prindeville > > wrote: > >>> On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell > >>> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2023

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Philip Prindeville
> On May 1, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Joseph Mullally wrote: > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:43 AM Philip Prindeville > wrote: >>> On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: > Um... you can't "virtualize" WiFi in

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-05-01 Thread Joseph Mullally
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:43 AM Philip Prindeville wrote: >> On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: >>> Um... you can't "virtualize" WiFi in any VM I've ever seen. >> >> You can though pass PCIe devices to a

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-30 Thread Philip Prindeville
> On Apr 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: >> >>> [snip] > >> See above: the radios and antennae I can get as add-ons for a Xeon-D 1U >> pizza box or even an APU6 mPCIe slot are vastly inferior to what ODM

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-28 Thread Elliott Mitchell
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:04:15PM -0600, Philip Prindeville wrote: > > > On Apr 26, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > > > Well, was a specific objective ever chosen for the x86 version of > > OpenWRT? > > Does it need one? As the most ubiquitous hardware out there for many users,

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-28 Thread Joseph Mullally
As you point out elsewhere, this "optional builtin modules" problem is typically solved with bootstrapping initrd images. But adding something like initramfs-tools or dracut into OpenWrt would be over complicating things, since the current x86/64 images seem to suit everyone.

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-28 Thread Joseph Mullally
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 3:29 AM Elliott Mitchell wrote: > I'm looking at the list of built-in drivers and seeing many which > will perhaps only be used by 25% of installations. That figure seems hypothetical, but you would propose to break 25% of users installations for insignificant memory

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-28 Thread Elliott Mitchell
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 05:04:36AM +0100, Joseph Mullally wrote: > One nice feature for users of the "x86/64" and similar builds are that > they work out of the box on most generic hardware or virtualization > platforms. I use it on real hardware and KVM with device passthrough, > and it was very

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-28 Thread Philip Prindeville
> On Apr 26, 2023, at 2:17 PM, Elliott Mitchell wrote: > > Well, was a specific objective ever chosen for the x86 version of > OpenWRT? Does it need one? As the most ubiquitous hardware out there for many users, why would we need to box it in? Someone might want to throw a generic image

Re: Objective of OpenWRT/x86?

2023-04-26 Thread Joseph Mullally
One nice feature for users of the "x86/64" and similar builds are that they work out of the box on most generic hardware or virtualization platforms. I use it on real hardware and KVM with device passthrough, and it was very easy to set up. I'm guessing this is far more common than speculative