Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-04 Thread Peter Viskup
Quite old, but still interesting video from DefCon19 about CAs, DNSSEC and that Convergence project as one of the possible solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmj_xe7EIQ On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Kim Alvefur wrote: > On 2015-09-03 20:31, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > > Thu, 3 Sep 2015

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2015-09-03 20:31, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: > Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:25:27 +0200 > Kim Alvefur wrote: > >> But seriously, DANE works already¹, why haven't you deployed it >> yet? :) > > That's not true. In some national domains there is no dnssec support. > So DANE works in some countries only. >

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:25:27 +0200 Kim Alvefur wrote: > But seriously, DANE works already¹, why haven't you deployed it > yet? :) That's not true. In some national domains there is no dnssec support. So DANE works in some countries only.

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Kim Alvefur
> This are the things that "Let's encrypt" i hope that solve quickly. > DANE would solve this problem. And since it is DNS based it would be > easy to implement. No, $my_favorite_tech will solve all our problems, once everyone deploys it! But seriously, DANE works already¹, why haven't you depl

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Andreas Tauscher
On 09/03/2015 12:19 PM, Peter Viskup wrote: > we know there still are issues with CA-signed and self-signed > certificates. Self-signed certificate was the main reason for not > accepting our server into the list of public XMPP server. > From my perspective it would be great to implement XEP simil

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Luis González Fernández
This are the things that "Let's encrypt" i hope that solve quickly. El 03/09/15 a las 11:19, Peter Viskup escribió: > Hi all, > we know there still are issues with CA-signed and self-signed > certificates. Self-signed certificate was the main reason for not > accepting our server into the list of

Re: [Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Dave Cridland
Notaries are CAs, except that a CA validation might potentially be something beyond TOFU, and the assertion lifetime is well-defined. On the other hand, the CA is picked by the service. There's a number of approaches to identity validation given an X.509 certificate chain. Not all of them are vali

[Operators] SSL trust in XMPP world

2015-09-03 Thread Peter Viskup
Hi all, we know there still are issues with CA-signed and self-signed certificates. Self-signed certificate was the main reason for not accepting our server into the list of public XMPP server. >From my perspective it would be great to implement XEP similar to Convergence [1]. That could solve at l