Hello.
Well, there is no working server-side solution forXMPP as of now, and
today was a first day I used the "doomed to fail" client-side solution:
a simple yet effective CAPTCHA-plugin for Gajim. Today was a first day
for a long time I haven't received a single spam message. Even
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W dniu 02.12.2016, pią o godzinie 11∶11 +0100, użytkownik Florian
Schmaus napisał:
> > Interestingly it already has an XMPP based implementation.
> Where is that implementation?
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W dniu 02.12.2016, pią o godzinie 11∶08 +, użytkownik Matthew Wild
napisał:
> > There also is an IM2000 proposal [1]
> I don't see how this is any better than rate limits on the sending
> side. It's not like a spammer will need to store 1000 copies of
> the same message to send it to 10
On 2 December 2016 at 10:04, Tomasz Sterna wrote:
> W dniu 19.11.2016, sob o godzinie 15∶19 +0300, użytkownik A napisał:
>> Very easy. Popular clients just incorporated simple anti-spam
>> measures to perform human-testing for any new senders.
> There also is an IM2000 proposal [1] which does it
Hello,
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 21:00, A wrote:
>
> Hello, Mickaël. Will this reputation system work for disposable accounts,
> automatically created and used to send just one SPAM/SPIM message?
Yes, I think so. If we consider your account reputation increase with age. We
can define a new account
On 02.12.2016 11:04, Tomasz Sterna wrote:
> Interestingly it already has an XMPP based implementation.
Where is that implementation?
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W dniu 19.11.2016, sob o godzinie 15∶19 +0300, użytkownik A napisał:
> Very easy. Popular clients just incorporated simple anti-spam
> measures to perform human-testing for any new senders.
Any solution that puts the burden of fighting SMAP on the users and
keeps the SPAM sending cost at zero is d
Hey everyone. This is kind of a follow up to the topic.
Today I've noticed thatGajim's plugin "Anti Spam" got update to the
version 0.4.2. I thought it was a trivial bugfix, but hey, now it offers
a much needed custom question/answer feature! It may still not be a
solution "how spam should be
Hello,
I announced today a project I had in mind since last July, which aims at
helping XMPP server operators fight spam in a *proper* way.
The project is called Providence, and aims at being a generic daemon that can
be plugged to any XMPP server via a server module. Works similarly to
SpamAs
On 19 November 2016 at 13:27, Krzysztof Grochocki wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Over the past year I received spam message only in russian language or in
> russian and english language together. I think we can block such messages
> like it is in one of polish IM - just block incoming/outgoing messages where
Hello, Mickaël. Will this reputation system work for disposable
accounts, automatically createdand used to send just one SPAM/SPIM message?
On 11/19/2016 08:03 PM, Mickaël Rémond wrote:
Hi,
On 19 Nov 2016, at 13:19, A mailto:a...@creep.im>> wrote:
Hey everyone.
The spam problem persists and
I can't believe what I'm reading...
So we went from the usual "it can be bypassed" excuse to not employ any
SPIM mitigation to "let's leave IBR the way it is it's the client which
should deal with it".
I'm simply speechless at this rate.
Il 19/11/2016 13:19, A ha scritto:
Hey everyone.
The
Hi,
> On 19 Nov 2016, at 13:19, A wrote:
>
> Hey everyone.
>
> The spam problem persists and it gets worse and worse each consecutive day,
> but seems like nobody actually can or wants to do anything. All the anti-spam
> measures discussed here in this list are a mere blocking of spam JIDs or
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:00:47 +0300
A wrote:
> Okay, then I misunderstood you. Could you elaborate a bit how it's
> fought in 2016 (that can be applied to XMPP of course, not just
> outlining some measures implemented in centralized proprietary
> protocols)?
Well, my vision is described in XEP-028
I constantly being contacted by legitimate strangers, which ask me
something about the service for example, so this is not the solution.
On 11/19/2016 04:59 PM, Yonnji wrote:
There is a "privacy list" feature in Gajim. It allows you to block
people which is not in your contact list.
On 19/
Okay, then I misunderstood you. Could you elaborate a bit how it's
fought in 2016 (that can be applied to XMPP of course, not just
outlining some measures implemented in centralized proprietary protocols)?
On 11/19/2016 04:58 PM, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote:
No:) As I said, that's not how SPAM is
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:55:48 +0100
Krzysztof Grochocki wrote:
> > As a Russian developer of ejabberd I think this is a great idea.
> > Probably, adding Polish to the list won't hurt as well.
>
> Oh take it easy, this was only na idea for spam that we have...
> Personally I don't see anything wron
There is a "privacy list" feature in Gajim. It allows you to block
people which is not in your contact list.
On 19/11/16 16:55, Krzysztof Grochocki wrote:
> As a Russian developer of ejabberd I think this is a great idea.
> Probably, adding Polish to the list won't hurt as well.
Oh take it ea
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:45:12 +0300
A wrote:
> Hello. Well, seems like XEP-0158 is exactly what I'm describing. So
> now we just need to persuade popular client/plugins developers to
> support it, right?
No :) As I said, that's not how SPAM is being fought in 2016.
> As a Russian developer of ejabberd I think this is a great idea.
> Probably, adding Polish to the list won't hurt as well.
Oh take it easy, this was only na idea for spam that we have... Personally
I don't see anything wrong in such module that would work only for contacts
that we don't have on
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:27:37 +0100
Krzysztof Grochocki wrote:
> Maybe someone can write such functionality as module for
> ejabberd and prosody?
As a Russian developer of ejabberd I think this is a great idea.
Probably, adding Polish to the list won't hurt as well.
Hello. Well, seems like XEP-0158 is exactly what I'm describing. So now
we just need to persuade popular client/plugins developers to support
it, right?
On 11/19/2016 04:40 PM, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote:
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:53:53 +0100
Marvin Gülker wrote:
I like the general idea, but the prot
Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:53:53 +0100
Marvin Gülker wrote:
> I like the general idea, but the protocol (not the questions
> themselves obviously) should be standardised into a XEP so that not
> every client creates its own idea of how to do it. You should suggest
> it on the xmpp-standards mailinglist.
Hello. I didn't consider to suggest it in a XEP form. This seems viable.
Will do when I have some spare time.
On 11/19/2016 03:53 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 03:19:34PM +0300, A wrote:
How do this problem was solved back in 2000s? Very easy. Popular clients
just incor
Hey Krzysztof. I can't imagine more nazi-er thing to do than to ban some
scripts implying that this is the primary writing script to spam.
On 11/19/2016 04:27 PM, Krzysztof Grochocki wrote:
Hello.
Over the past year I received spam message only in russian language or
in russian and english la
Hello.
Over the past year I received spam message only in russian language or in
russian and english language together. I think we can block such messages
like it is in one of polish IM - just block incoming/outgoing messages
where is Cyrillic characters in text. At this time it's only the one way
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 03:19:34PM +0300, A wrote:
> How do this problem was solved back in 2000s? Very easy. Popular clients
> just incorporated simple anti-spam measures to perform human-testing for any
> new senders. Client just asked every new sender to answer simple
> (customizable) quest
You have good points. Yes, there is something which has to be
changed.
But if you want an anti-spam function in clients, preventing
spammers from creating new accounts, it will be lost from the
start. XMPP is, as you said, opensource.
Lets say the ne
Hey everyone.
The spam problem persists and it gets worse and worse each consecutive
day, but seems like nobody actually can or wants to do anything. All the
anti-spam measures discussed here in this list are a mere blocking of
spam JIDs or even whole domains.
But this will not mitigate the
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