Re: Tor appliances

2007-11-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Marco A. Calamari wrote: > Interesting, but the board hos a lot of unneded stuff (VGA, Audio). There are several boards there. The one I mean is http://pcengines.ch/alix2c3.htm > Soekris 4801 is comparable but headless, both provider Have looked it up,

Re: Tor appliances

2007-11-25 Thread Marco A. Calamari
On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 21:01 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:47:44PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > > You might or might not be aware about ALIX, the successor to WRAP. > > > > As far as I know, this is proprietary software. Since there are > > Um, did you look at the

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:19:26PM +, Smuggler wrote: > Backbones etc. are excluded from the data retention laws. As well as any Excluded by laws yet, but still monitored by TLAs. Yeah, I know, it's not the threat model, but it still doesn't hurt to be pointed out now and then. What about c

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Olaf Selke
Smuggler wrote: > Backbones etc. are excluded from the data retention laws. really? I don't find that clause in the new German TKG law. Would you pls point me into the right direction? > As well as any > networks that are not available to the general public (like university > networks as well co

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Smuggler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:18:52PM +, Smuggler wrote: > >> The reason why to do this is that those nodes would not provide relaying >> to the "public" and thus imho not fall under the various EU Data > > How would you argumen

Re: Tor appliances

2007-11-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 08:47:44PM +0100, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > You might or might not be aware about ALIX, the successor to WRAP. > > As far as I know, this is proprietary software. Since there are Um, did you look at the link http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm that I posted earlier? It's no

Re: Tor appliances

2007-11-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> You might or might not be aware about ALIX, the successor to WRAP. As far as I know, this is proprietary software. Since there are a number of Free Operating Systems available for embedded platforms[1], I am not quite sure why you are posting this on or-talk.

Re: Questions about a TOR server

2007-11-25 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> accept *:443 > reject *:* Folks, please open port 22. 587 and 5222 would be helpful too. Juliusz

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Schmidt
2007/11/25, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > How would you argument in court that middleman nodes don't offer > services to the public? > > again, this works only if you forward the hop over a F2F network, all other is not working. -> plug in the tor system into http://retroshare.sf.net F2F

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Schmidt
this is a good idea, see the thread to do this over f2f, in your model this is done as well, but you need to make sure, that a middelman-only node NEVER connects to another node, which is any other node in the same law-country, So the middleman-only-node connecting to another middleman-only-node i

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Olaf Selke
Smuggler wrote: > > The reason why to do this is that those nodes would not provide relaying > to the "public" and thus imho not fall under the various EU Data > retention rules. why do you expect middleman-only operation not to be a "public telecommunication service" for the purpose of the law?

Re: Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 05:18:52PM +, Smuggler wrote: > The reason why to do this is that those nodes would not provide relaying > to the "public" and thus imho not fall under the various EU Data How would you argument in court that middleman nodes don't offer services to the public? > ret

Surveillance rules, feature suggestion

2007-11-25 Thread Smuggler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I wonder if it would be a good thing to define "Middleman-Only" nodes. Those nodes would ONLY talk to other Tor-Nodes. They will not accept connections from non-Tor-nodes and not relay to non-Tor-nodes. While the latter is currently configurabl

bandwidth ratio exit traffic / total traffic

2007-11-25 Thread Olaf Selke
hi, I'm curious how much my or's bandwidth is used for exit gateway. Is there any easy way to figure out the bandwidth ratio (exit gw) / (exit gw + middleman)? Olaf

Re: netstat reporting destinion IP address

2007-11-25 Thread anonym
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/11/07 13:41, Robert Hogan wrote: > On Sunday 25 November 2007 02:23:18 anonym wrote: >> On 25/11/07 02:54, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>> On 11/24/07, anonym <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Even though we still get as much anonymity as Tor offers and

Re: Tor blocking german nodes

2007-11-25 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:44:17AM +0100, Andrew wrote: > Sadly, what you say is true. Precautions have to be implemented in Tor > that no more than one node from Germany is chosen for any connection. We > should ask tor development to implement such a feature until 12/2008, > and have it activated

Tor appliances

2007-11-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
You might or might not be aware about ALIX, the successor to WRAP. There's not a lot of RAM (256 MByte) and the AMD Geode LX is not a very fast CPU, but it has a crypto accelerator, which is already supported e.g. by OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=glxsb&sektion=4&arch=i386 an

Re: netstat reporting destinion IP address

2007-11-25 Thread Robert Hogan
On Sunday 25 November 2007 02:23:18 anonym wrote: > On 25/11/07 02:54, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > On 11/24/07, anonym <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Even though we still get as much anonymity as Tor offers and netstat is > >> wrong in some way I really do not want this to happen. Incognito uses

Re: Europaen Cybercrime Convention

2007-11-25 Thread kazaam
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0100 "TOR Admin (gpfTOR1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the European Cybercrime Convention anon servers are something like > telephone providers. The following is important because of this fact: No they are not by the EU Convention but just in the german law! >

Re: Europaen Cybercrime Convention

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Schmidt
just run tor on a dedecated server, install a truecrypt.org container and make if portable only in this container. if the power is off, the tor installation has gone. But I guess you mean a password protection while running? 2007/11/25, TOR Admin (gpfTOR1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi onion guys, >

Europaen Cybercrime Convention

2007-11-25 Thread TOR Admin (gpfTOR1)
Hi onion guys, we want to write about a few points of the European Cybercrime Convention, which became real by law in Germany last time. Sorry - we didnt read the or-talk very carefully last time. May be, it was always discussed here. By the European Cybercrime Convention anon servers are someth