Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread andrew
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 08:50:00PM +0200, bacardic...@gmail.com wrote 1.1K bytes in 28 lines about: : Would it be possible for my to include myself in the MyFamily line? Yes. When I ran 10 nodes, this is what I did. One config for all 10 was easier to maintain than 10 unique configs. -- And

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread andrew
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:44:36PM -0500, benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote 4.7K bytes in 91 lines about: : including some tor developers, did not bother to read the proposal by Bruce : from perfect-privacy.com. He did *not* propose, for example, any equivalent : to #include statements. He did *not* prop

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Syverson
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 02:36:01PM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: > Hi Paul, > On Thu, 20 May 2010 15:12:38 -0400 Paul Syverson > wrote: > > > >Your interpretation of what Bruce said makes sense. But it is not > >how I parsed, "BelongToFamily xyz" in his message. I read it the same > >way it see

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Bennett
Hi Paul, On Thu, 20 May 2010 15:12:38 -0400 Paul Syverson wrote: >On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:44:36PM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: >> Oh. My. Goodness. Gracious! I go to sleep for a few hours, and the >> discussion descends into total confusion because a number of participants, >> incl

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Syverson
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:44:36PM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: > Oh. My. Goodness. Gracious! I go to sleep for a few hours, and the > discussion descends into total confusion because a number of participants, > including some tor developers, did not bother to read the proposal by Bruce > f

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Nils Vogels
Hey Andrew, On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 13:44, wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:31:47PM +0200, t...@wiredwings.com wrote 0.9K > bytes in 19 lines about: > : >From what I understand, yes, at the moment both "partners" have to list > : each other. That's what the fuss is all about, because this be

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Bennett
Oh. My. Goodness. Gracious! I go to sleep for a few hours, and the discussion descends into total confusion because a number of participants, including some tor developers, did not bother to read the proposal by Bruce from perfect-privacy.com. He did *not* propose, for example, any equiva

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Anders Andersson
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 20.05.2010 13:28, Oguz wrote: >> I too do not understand this. Already an evil entry node can list all >> nodes that it does _not_ control in its family option to try to force >> circuit through the nodes it controls, though it would obviou

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Thursday May 20 2010 09:39:00 Flamsmark wrote: > On 20 May 2010 07:44, wrote: > > If Mallory lists Alice > > and Bob, but neither Alice nor Bob list Mallory, it's not a valid > > Family. Otherwise, Mallory could list every node in the network and > > screw everyone. > > Why would this screw e

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Watson Ladd
On May 20, 2010, at 08:39 AM, Flamsmark wrote: > On 20 May 2010 07:44, wrote: > If Mallory lists Alice > and Bob, but neither Alice nor Bob list Mallory, it's not a valid > Family. Otherwise, Mallory could list every node in the network and > screw everyone. > > Why would this screw everyone?

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Flamsmark
On 20 May 2010 07:44, wrote: > If Mallory lists Alice > and Bob, but neither Alice nor Bob list Mallory, it's not a valid > Family. Otherwise, Mallory could list every node in the network and > screw everyone. Why would this screw everyone? I admit that I don't fully understand how families ar

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Paul Syverson
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 07:44:51AM -0400, and...@torproject.org wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:31:47PM +0200, t...@wiredwings.com wrote 0.9K > bytes in 19 lines about: > : >From what I understand, yes, at the moment both "partners" have to list > : each other. That's what the fuss is all abou

Re: Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread andrew
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:31:47PM +0200, t...@wiredwings.com wrote 0.9K bytes in 19 lines about: : >From what I understand, yes, at the moment both "partners" have to list : each other. That's what the fuss is all about, because this becomes hard : to manage when you run a lot of nodes. Yes, thi

Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 20.05.2010 13:28, Oguz wrote: > I too do not understand this. Already an evil entry node can list all > nodes that it does _not_ control in its family option to try to force > circuit through the nodes it controls, though it would obviously be a > dead give away listing many unrelated nodes as w