Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:02:32PM -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: Step 2) Wait for Tor Project to do the technical work. There could be at least four reasons: 1) they don't believe it. They're just throwing ideas at the wall, to see who will do free work for them. They wouldn't spend a

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-25 Thread Marco Bonetti
On Wed, June 24, 2009 19:41, Bill McGonigle wrote: IIRC, somebody already did a tor mod for the first version. Long time ago, I torified its traffic for fun: http://sid77.livejournal.com/2007/07/16/ the problem with running a tor node directly on top of it is the limited number of resources, at

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-24 Thread Dieter Zinke
12 (?) or 15 months ago i ve asked the list to help people from iran with tor. I got no help. There were other questions help me, i can´ t login to google via tor or help me i can create a account with digg via tor. The questioners got their desired help. Thats dingy! Anyway, if the provider

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:31:51AM -0700, Dieter Zinke wrote: Anyway, if the provider shuts down, the internet is down. Nobody needs help with tor if the internet is down. Right? That was or is the problem with some providers today in Iran. What's the situation with guerilla WLAN

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-24 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 06/24/2009 11:44 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Speaking about guerilla, http://www.google.com/search?q=sheevaplug would seem like an ideal throwaway Tor appliance. With Bluetooth or WLAN dongles even casting a small (or long-distance, with suitable directional aerials) wireless cloud. The Fonera

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-24 Thread Bill McGonigle
I can't speak to the others, but for this one: On 06/24/2009 03:32 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: Step 2) Wait for Tor Project to do the technical work. There could be at least four reasons: 1) they don't believe it. They're just throwing ideas at the wall, to see who will do free work for them.

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-24 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 06/24/2009 07:02 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 06/24/2009 03:32 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: Step 2) Wait for Tor Project to do the technical work. There could be at least four reasons: 1) they don't believe it. They're just throwing ideas at the wall, to see who will do free work for

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Karsten N.
Jon schrieb: And I hope, tor will stay political neutral. Political neutral... yes, I think that is important for a project such as this. If we have problems to introduce our bridges, we should search for a general solution and do not give all bridges exclusive to a political campaign. Seems

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 01:02:09PM +0200, Karsten N. wrote: If we have problems to introduce our bridges, we should search for a general solution and do not give all bridges exclusive to a political campaign. There are only a few hundred running bridges right now. I think it's fine to use them

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Chris Humphry
, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: From: Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu Subject: Re: Help Iranian dissidents To: or-talk@freehaven.net Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:38 AM On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 01:02:09PM +0200, Karsten N. wrote: If we have problems to introduce our bridges, we should search

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Chris Humphry
, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: From: Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu Subject: Re: Help Iranian dissidents To: or-talk@freehaven.net Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:38 AM On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 01:02:09PM +0200, Karsten N. wrote: If we have problems to introduce our bridges, we should search

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread linux
On Sunday 21 June 2009, Chris Humphry wrote: You and Karsten know much more than I do so I defer to you. But I do think it's very important to let people know how they can use Tor to help in this crisis. Hello if this is a crisis and who is the good guy and the bad guy should in my opinion

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread jon
linux wrote: On Sunday 21 June 2009, Chris Humphry wrote: [snip] i will keep my server running even I know some guys I dont like are using it. Regards Robert I don't know who is using mine. :) Jon

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Chris Humphry
Hello Robert and Karsten N., Both you of have expressed concerns about politicizing Tor and I agree to an extent.  If we don't tell those who need Tor about Tor why make Tor in the first place? if this is a crisis and who is the good guy and the bad guy should in my opinion not be discussed

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Martin Fick
--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: My only 'issue' is human rights and to  me politics plays no roll in that.  Well, unfortunately that just isn't the case. Many people have different (political) opinions on just what exactly human rights means. It is not so

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-21 Thread Pyotr
On Sunday 21 June 2009 03:08:40 pm Martin Fick wrote: --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: My only 'issue' is human rights and to me politics plays no roll in that. Well, unfortunately that just isn't the case. Many people have different (political) opinions

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-20 Thread Karsten N.
I saw coloured revolutions in Georgia, Ukraine and Kirgisia. After successfull revolution these countries got corrupt regimes. I hope, iran will not go this way. And I hope, tor will stay political neutral. Karsten N.

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-20 Thread Jon
Karsten N. wrote: I saw coloured revolutions in Georgia, Ukraine and Kirgisia. After successfull revolution these countries got corrupt regimes. I hope, iran will not go this way. And I hope, tor will stay political neutral. Karsten N. Political neutral... yes, I think that is important

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-20 Thread Nils Vogels
Hey Karsten, On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Karsten N. tor-ad...@privacyfoundation.de wrote: And I hope, tor will stay political neutral. IMHO, Tor is, much like any other software, a tool. A tool is used to accomplish a goal. In this case, the goal is freedom of information for the

Re: Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-20 Thread krishna e bera
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 06:01:27PM +0200, Nils Vogels wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Karsten N. [1]tor-ad...@privacyfoundation.de wrote: And I hope, tor will stay political neutral. IMHO, Tor is, much like any other software, a tool. A tool is used to accomplish

(Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Chris Humphry
Project or the EFF wanted to be the entity who contacts Channel One be my guest.  All the best and Demoracy for all! --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com Subject: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Chris Humphry
From twitter, there is a user (austinheap) out of San Fran who organized this. It is simply having people setup squid proxies and sending the pertinent info to him by email or twitter direct message: ip address and port (change from the default port and other standard ports...I set mine up

Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 06/19/2009 01:37 PM, Chris Humphry wrote: I then thought of contacting Channel One and telling them about Tor, TorBrowserBundle and Tor Bridges. Why not have them put TBB on *each* pen they send out? And with each TBB they could include the signature and a .txt file with a few Tor

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Praedor Atrebates
On Friday 19 June 2009 13:49:48 Chris Humphry wrote: From twitter, there is a user (austinheap) out of San Fran who organized this. It is simply having people setup squid proxies and sending the pertinent info to him by email or twitter direct message: ip address and port (change from the

Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread mogulguy
--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: All the best and Demoracy for all! While I am fairly certain that you meant this as a wish of good will to all (thanks), you may (or may not) be surprised that some people do not equate democracy with freedom[1].  Since I

Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Chris Humphry
Getting TBB into the hands of those who need it is a great idea; publicizing this fact may only harm those same people. Once it is known the USB pen is more than just a camera, it becomes a larger risk to being caught with it, and invites more scrutiny. A fine way to find out how fast the arms

Re: (Solution. Please read) Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-19 Thread Chris Humphry
Hi mogulguy, --- On Fri, 6/19/09, molgulguy mogul...@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Chris Humphry humphry.ch...@yahoo.com wrote: All the best and Demoracy for all! While I am fairly certain that you meant this as a wish of good will to all (thanks), you may (or may not) be surprised

Help Iranian dissidents

2009-06-19 Thread Praedor Atrebates
This website is one of the locations with useful info. The email ph.on.twit...@gmail.com is still active and the place to send tor bridge info. http://iran.whyweprotest.net/ -- If we have Senators and Congressmen there that can't protect themselves against the evil temptations of lobbyists,

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread marcel
Ted Smith schrub in 1245290677.7339.8.ca...@stormbringer: It would probably be best to email it to a trusted Iranian organization or group, using OpenPGP encryption. They can disseminate it from there. which would be…? all the best, /marcel

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:06 +0200, marcel wrote: Ted Smith schrub in 1245290677.7339.8.ca...@stormbringer: It would probably be best to email it to a trusted Iranian organization or group, using OpenPGP encryption. They can disseminate it from there. which would be…? I wouldn't know. I'm

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Chris Humphry
Hi Roger, On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 22:11 -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Yeah, see, I'm not sure whether this is true. If ordinary bridges are working,

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Teodor Robas
Chris Humphry wrote: Hi Roger, If a representative from the EFF or Tor contacted CNN I bet they would respond... Lots of misinformation going around, and not so much information. This news was on slashdot not long ago:

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Matej Kovacic
Hi, We've heard rumors they're blocking all encrypted traffic. Does this mean everything that does an SSL handshake no matter the port? Or does it mean the blocked port 443? If the former, an automated system like Tor is going to have a tough time keeping up -- at least without the tweaks

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Praedor Atrebates
From twitter, there is a user (austinheap) out of San Fran who organized this. It is simply having people setup squid proxies and sending the pertinent info to him by email or twitter direct message: ip address and port (change from the default port and other standard ports...I set mine up

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-18 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:30:28PM +0300, Teodor Robas wrote: Notice that a link was presented to instructions on how to set up squid based proxy servers. That may be the reason why the proxy technique got in the media but I do not know why tor was not mentioned at all. Tor has been mentioned

Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-17 Thread Chris Humphry
Hi, I have been mounting a little movement to get people to run Tor and setup Tor Bridges to help those in Iran access the Internet.  Then I found a great message which has been going around asking people to run Tor Bridges.  So I thought: what about or-talk?.  Would it be wise to ask people

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-17 Thread Ted Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 18:26 -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Hi, I have been mounting a little movement to get people to run Tor and setup Tor Bridges to help those in Iran access the Internet. Then I found a great message which has been going around asking people to run Tor Bridges. So I

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Yeah, see, I'm not sure whether this is true. If ordinary bridges are working, then probably ordinary Tor relays are working too. Or said another way,

Re: Help Iranian dissidents by collecting and posting Bridge addresses? (here?)

2009-06-17 Thread Ted Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 22:11 -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Chris Humphry wrote: Please help...without proxies (ie. Bridges) the Iranian dissidents have no voice! Yeah, see, I'm not sure whether this is true. If ordinary bridges are working, then