Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-11 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:35:59 + (UTC) John Case c...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Sharif Olorin wrote: Bids like Kaspersky's are exceptionally unlikely to be successful. The people who keep the Internet running are, for the most part, the people who are most opposed to

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-11 Thread Flamsmark
hIf The Internet is restricted in such ridiculous ways as Kaspersky suggests, then other internets will just spring up to replace it. For those who don't know, such a project already exists, run by Freaknet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku Netsukuku is very interesting. It's

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:41:28AM -0500, Flamsmark wrote: I want very much for it to be real. Looks like a bunch of gibberish to me; and not very good gibberish at that. It might well that it is gibberish, but the concept itself is sound. You can route simply (using only local knowledge)

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-10 Thread Brian Mearns
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:04 PM, John Case c...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009, Jacob Todd wrote: [clip] I'd like to change the design of the Internet by introducing regulation--Internet passports, Internet police and international agreement--about following Internet standards.

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-10 Thread krishna e bera
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:29:26PM -0500, Brian Mearns wrote: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:04 PM, John Case c...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Sun, 18 Oct 2009, Jacob Todd wrote: [clip] I'd like to change the design of the Internet by introducing regulation--Internet passports, Internet police

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-10 Thread Sharif Olorin
Bids like Kaspersky's are exceptionally unlikely to be successful. The people who keep the Internet running are, for the most part, the people who are most opposed to this kind of control. If The Internet is restricted in such ridiculous ways as Kaspersky suggests, then other internets will

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-11-10 Thread John Case
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Sharif Olorin wrote: Bids like Kaspersky's are exceptionally unlikely to be successful. The people who keep the Internet running are, for the most part, the people who are most opposed to this kind of control. If The Internet is restricted in such ridiculous ways as

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread grarpamp
And all the world is silent for this tyrannical innovation... One might suggest to join together all the random anon activist groups to counter this cause of innovation with a new corporate voice. Perhaps the worldwide spread of the Pirat Partiet will take upon this cause. But they would need a

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Flamsmark
2009/10/21 grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com Perhaps the worldwide spread of the Pirat Partiet will take upon this cause. But they would need a corporate branch... like Sinn Fein to the IRA. I don't really want to stretch this analogy too far, and I certainly don't think that it's reasonable to

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Flamsmark wrote: I don't really want to stretch this analogy too far, and I certainly don't think that it's reasonable to compare people who obtain, share and distribute media in ways often suggested to violate local laws; with an organised group of

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Flamsmark
2009/10/21 Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Flamsmark wrote: I don't really want to stretch this analogy too far, and I certainly don't think that it's reasonable to compare people who obtain, share and distribute media in ways often suggested to

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:09:27 -0400 Flamsmark flamsm...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/21 Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Flamsmark wrote: I don't really want to stretch this analogy too far, and I certainly don't think that it's reasonable to compare

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
Hi! It's a pity that Russia becomes the source of nonsense for international news, again. But it would be even more pity for tor to be associated with such political bullshit as quoted below. Alexander Cherepanov On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:03:32 +0400, James Brown jbrownfi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-21 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 10/21/2009 10:00 AM, Scott Bennett wrote: I don't think that Sinn Fein enjoyed the death and fear that was the result of IRA actions either. However, they shared a belief in a more unified Ireland, much as 'pirates' and Piratpartiet share a belief in more reasonable copyright laws, and

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-20 Thread James Brown
Kyle Williams wrote: People who seek to control society fear society having anonymity, for it's with anonymity that society can stand up against corruption of the state when it occurs. The latest Iran election and the actions that followed are a great example of this, and it's was technology

Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-18 Thread Kyle Williams
I just read two articles that moved me to bring this to the attention of others. Kaspersky Labs thinks anonymity is the problem with the Internet. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/kaspersky_rebukes_net_anonymity/ In Kaspersky's world, services such as Psiphon and The Onion Router (Tor) -

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-18 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 04:38:57AM -0700, Kyle Williams wrote: I just read two articles that moved me to bring this to the attention of others. Kaspersky Labs thinks anonymity is the problem with the Internet. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/kaspersky_rebukes_net_anonymity/ In

Re: Kaspersky wants to make Tor illegal and supports a globalized policed internet.

2009-10-18 Thread John Case
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009, Jacob Todd wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/kaspersky_rebukes_net_anonymity/ In Kaspersky's world, services such as??Psiphon??and??The Onion Router (Tor)??- which are legitimately used by Chinese dissidents and Google users alike to shield personally