Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread devel
The first rule is freedom!!! El mié, 28-02-2007 a las 06:32 -0800, Mr. Blue escribió: > But even THIS world MUST have some rules. > Do you have rules in your own house where you live? > Imagine it without them. -- -- Devel in Precio http://www.pas-world.com

Censorship [was Re: Norwegian DNS compromized]

2007-02-28 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:51:32AM -0800, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: [...] > "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy > from oppression". There are many reasons why I do not think it is a good idea to add any censorship code to Tor. That's one of them. L

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas M. Jett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Sorry, but this is very relevant to the very reason of Tor's existence.  I know that talk about any religion, especially Christianity today spooks most folks, but it's very relevant to this subject. Paul Syverson wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas M. Jett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: > I'm doing a LOT of trimming on this reply. > >> Yes, and this is, given the limits of technology, best left to the >> realm of The Good Lord to handle ( the rules are in The Bible if only >> people would abide

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Paul Syverson
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:51:32AM -0800, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: > I'm doing a LOT of trimming on this reply. > > > Yes, and this is, given the limits of technology, best left to the > > realm of The Good Lord to handle ( the rules are in The Bible if only > > people would abide by th

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Michael_google gmail_Gersten
I'm doing a LOT of trimming on this reply. Yes, and this is, given the limits of technology, best left to the realm of The Good Lord to handle ( the rules are in The Bible if only people would abide by them. There is something that the vast majority of people fail to take into consideration

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas M. Jett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Mr. Blue wrote: > You better BET that if anyone is against censorship, then I AM in a > FIRST LINE! > Being free and anonym is a main reason why I like Tor, so I could > get rid of those greedy I-see-all govs eyes. > > But even THIS world MUST ha

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas M. Jett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 In regards to the technical aspect of Tor, yes it is off topic, but in regards to Tor's actual purpose, it is very much on topic. While this lists purpose it primarily technical, the political, social, moral issues regarding Tor also need to be addr

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Michael Holstein
Poor kids DON'T!!! Okay .. we're seriously off-topic here, but many a person's rights are trampled because : "it's for the children..." There is no "okay" form of censorship. A spade is a spade is a spade. If you believe in censoring this or that, under any guise, then maybe TOR isn't the

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Florian Reitmeir
Hi, and i really think this thread _is_ off topic, so please stop posting to it. On Mit, 28 Feb 2007, Mr. Blue wrote: > All options are opened... and in this process we don't need to abide to any > laws. -- Florian Reitmeir

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Mr. Blue
You better BET that if anyone is against censorship, then I AM in a FIRST LINE! Being free and anonym is a main reason why I like Tor, so I could get rid of those greedy I-see-all govs eyes. But even THIS world MUST have some rules. Do you have rules in your own house where you live? Imagine it w

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas M. Jett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 While I agree that the use the pedophiles make of the Tor network is at best reprehensible, and it does constitute a public relations problem for Tor, you have to consider this quote which is a truth that most people are unfortunately unable to c

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread xiando
> I would just like to say that we should report that alolita.com because it > is connected to bunch of PEDOPHILES!!! > > Is must be banned from Tor netowork and it should also be reported to > authorities. Hey, wait a minute. You're talking about Censorship. Don't you realize that? Or do you wan

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:19:36PM +0100, Lasse Øverlier wrote: > If we already stop spam and bittorrent I think this is much worse! I disagree (as a parent, and a Tor operator who got a BKA case about pedophilia on his hands, which is still open -- at least there is yet no usual offical letter

RE: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Tony
-talk@freehaven.net Subject: Re: Norwegian DNS compromized I would just like to say that we should report that alolita.com because it is connected to bunch of PEDOPHILES!!! Is must be banned from Tor netowork and it should also be reported to authorities. Michael_google gmail_Gersten &l

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Syverson
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:19:36PM +0100, Lasse Øverlier wrote: > > If this is true, the answer to the strange DNS query is likely that > NextGenTel is using a filter service developed by the Norwegian Police > on their DNS queries to stop this type of traffic. I think that being > registered here

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Lasse Øverlier
If this is true, the answer to the strange DNS query is likely that NextGenTel is using a filter service developed by the Norwegian Police on their DNS queries to stop this type of traffic. I think that being registered here is a verification for that the address already is reported to (at least)

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Mr. Blue
I would just like to say that we should report that alolita.com because it is connected to bunch of PEDOPHILES!!! Is must be banned from Tor netowork and it should also be reported to authorities. Michael_google gmail_Gersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The first test, where alolita.com resolves

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Michael_google gmail_Gersten
Before getting too "OMG!", keep in mind that the second set of tests -- looking up tor.eff.org and tor.linuxreviews.org, the name server is simply saying "I don't know, here is where you can get accurate information". That is normal. The first test, where alolita.com resolves to different address

Re: Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread Lasse Øverlier
This is probably a coincidence, but during and after my talk at HackCon this month a technical guy from NextGenTel was furious over the use of Tor, and wanted me to recommend not setting up Tor servers! He claimed that the use of Tor at an ISP (he claimed this on behalf of every ISP) was against t

Norwegian DNS compromized

2007-02-27 Thread xiando
$ dig +trace alolita.com alolita.com.3600IN A 69.5.162.133 dig @217.13.4.21 alolita.com alolita.com.1800IN A 80.202.4.7 217.13.4.21 is a DNS server which belongs to Norwegian ISP NextGenTel. ** EVEN MORE ALARMING: ** $ dig @18.244.0.188 tor