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> From: Tim Wilde
> To: or-talk@freehaven.net
> Sent: Tue, December 29, 2009 4:01:07 PM
> Subject: Re: TOR and ISP
>
> On 12/29/2009 9:01 AM, Curious Kid wrote:
> > "Current law, as contained in Title 18 U.S.C. Section 2703(f), outlines
> Toward a U.S. Data-Retention Standard for ISPs
> http://www.educause.edu/EDUCAUSE+Review/EDUCAUSEReviewMagazineVolume41/TowardaUSDataRetentionStandard/158105
> "Current law, as contained in Title 18 U.S.C. Section 2703(f), outlines
> the process by which law enforcement can contact ISPs to reque
On 12/29/2009 9:01 AM, Curious Kid wrote:
> "Current law, as contained in Title 18 U.S.C. Section 2703(f), outlines
> the process by which law enforcement can contact ISPs to request the
> preservation of identified records or communications related to a
> particular person. The information cannot
On 12/29/2009 1:33 AM, grarpamp wrote:
>> On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
>> statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing
>> from their customers through their equipment.
>
> False. ISP's in the US don't have to record any information of any
> > On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
> > statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing from their
> > customers through their equipment.
>
> False. ISP's in the US don't have to record any information of any
> kind about their user or thei
> On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
> statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing from their
> customers through their equipment.
False. ISP's in the US don't have to record any information of any
kind about their user or their data whatso
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:59:53PM -0800, sch...@eff.org wrote 0.7K bytes in 16
lines about:
: > On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
: > statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing from their
: > customers through their equipment.
:
: What st
On 12/27/2009 12:59 AM, Seth David Schoen wrote:
> Scott Bennett writes:
>
>> On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
>> statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing from their
>> customers through their equipment.
>
> What statute requires this?
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:03:22 -0700 Jim wrote:
>Scott Bennett wrote:
>> The key here is that the ISPs not only cannot detect encrypted URLs,
>> they cannot detect what the user is doing, not even whether the user is
>> trying to connect to a port or is simply transmitting packets over an
Scott Bennett wrote:
The key here is that the ISPs not only cannot detect encrypted URLs,
they cannot detect what the user is doing, not even whether the user is
trying to connect to a port or is simply transmitting packets over an already
open connection or is closing a connection. They
I failed to note that my reply to Seth's query below went only to him,
so I'll append it below.
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:59:53 -0800 Seth David Schoen
wrote:
>Scott Bennett writes:
>
>> On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
>> statute to record all URL requ
Scott Bennett writes:
> On the contrary, in the United States, all ISPs are *required* by
> statute to record all URL requests that can be detected passing from their
> customers through their equipment.
What statute requires this?
--
Seth Schoen
Staff Technologist
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:21:01 -0800 Seth David Schoen
wrote:
>arshad writes:
>
>> if the ISP doesnt know, which sites the user visit. then they cannot
>> provide the sites visited with the bill if the user requests it?
>
>That's correct.
>
>> AFAIK all ISPs provide visited sites upon request r
On 12/26/2009 8:37 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 17:23 -0600, Programmer In Training wrote:
>> May I ask what bridges is in regards to Tor?
>
> I'm responding off-list because this is a question easily answered on
> the Tor websites ;-)
Doh!
> A bridge is a Tor entry node that is
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 17:23 -0600, Programmer In Training wrote:
> On 12/26/2009 5:13 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote:
> > Arshad writes:
> >
> >> thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
> >> purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
> >> which s
arshad writes:
> if the ISP doesnt know, which sites the user visit. then they cannot
> provide the sites visited with the bill if the user requests it?
That's correct.
> AFAIK all ISPs provide visited sites upon request right?
I've never heard of an ISP in the United States providing this serv
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 15:13 -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote:
> Arshad writes:
>
> > thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
> > purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
> > which sites the user visits? if dad request the bill include all the
On 12/26/2009 5:13 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote:
> Arshad writes:
>
>> thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
>> purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
>> which sites the user visits? if dad request the bill include all the
>> sites the so
Arshad writes:
> thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
> purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
> which sites the user visits? if dad request the bill include all the
> sites the son visits what would the give? is the user shown as a per
On 12/26/2009 4:53 PM, Arshad wrote:
> thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
> purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
> which sites the user visits? if dad request the bill include all the
> sites the son visits what would the give? is th
thank you very much. then if the user uses tor for his all browsing
purposes, from the isp end how does they see this? shouldnt they know
which sites the user visits? if dad request the bill include all the
sites the son visits what would the give? is the user shown as a peron
who doesnt use intern
On 12/26/2009 4:07 PM, Arshad wrote:
> hi all, does the ISP know which sites the user visits through TOR and
> privoxy or polipo? thank you very much.
>
No. From all the documentation I read on how TOR works, they would only
know the part of the relay "closest" to you. After that you pretty much
hi all, does the ISP know which sites the user visits through TOR and
privoxy or polipo? thank you very much.
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Arshad
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