Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-30 Thread Dominik Schaefer
On 30.04.09 00:24, Tripple Moon wrote: > Yes I agree that those other factors, which were not mentioned yet, are > ofcourse also elements to take into account for differences. And like i > previously already admitted this is a difficult topic to make foolproof. Actually you don't come with any co

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Jim McClanahan
Tripple Moon wrote: > IMHO, all and i mean *all* modifications of the original code and/or design > should be committed to the development-tree, that's how things get improved > and fixed etc by the community that maintains the development of the project. The problem with your logic (leaving as

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Tripple Moon
--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Dominik Schaefer wrote: > From: Dominik Schaefer > Subject: Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory) > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 7:18 AM > On 29.04.09 12:33, Tripple Moon wrote: > >> Also what wo

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Arjan
Nils Vogels wrote: > IMHO, just adding a list of allowed versions in the consensus will > accomplish just that, without the need of all that extra traffic and > CRC complexity. Use as much donated network capacity as possible without reducing anonymity by treating exit nodes and other nodes diffe

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Tripple Moon wrote: >--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Scott Bennett wrote: >[cut] >> >All of the above can be waifed void, when those >> versions are announced on the mailing list. >> >> "Waifed"? What language are you borrowing >> that from? And what doe

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Dominik Schaefer
On 29.04.09 12:33, Tripple Moon wrote: >> Also what would be gained from a CRC based on the *binary*? >> Wouldn't that change according to the system that compiled it? > Yes it *will* chance depending on the compiled (source-)version and > architecture and compiler used. > But those variables are

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Vlad "SATtva" Miller
Tripple Moon (29.04.2009 17:33): >> And if somebody wanted to circumvent, I would think the >> client could be >> modified so that when it claimed to be uploading itself, it >> was actually >> uploading a copy of an unmodified binary. Am I missing >> something? > Well yea thats upto the implementa

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Tripple Moon
--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Scott Bennett wrote: [cut] > >All of the above can be waifed void, when those > versions are announced on the mailing list. > > "Waifed"? What language are you borrowing > that from? And what does > it mean? "Waif" in English is a noun having a > meaning that bears n

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Tripple Moon wrote: >first off, please only reply to the mailing-list address otherwise ppl like me >are getting your messages double, just like you will get now... > My apologies. You did request that before, and I simply forgot. It is accepted

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Tripple Moon
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Ted Smith wrote: > From: Ted Smith > Subject: Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory) > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:51 PM > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 03:01 -0700, Tripple Moon wrote: > > --- O

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Tripple Moon
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Jim McClanahan wrote: > From: Jim McClanahan > Subject: Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory) > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:01 PM > > By "remotely calculated CRC-value of the > client"

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Nils Vogels
On 4/29/09, Tripple Moon wrote: > > > >IMHO, this kind of "login procedure to enter the tor-network" > > >will make it more secure and manageable. > > > >  More secure and manageable for whom??  Big Brother? > > Obviously not for > > the supposedly anonymous tor user...jeesh. > > Ofcourse not

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-29 Thread Tripple Moon
first off, please only reply to the mailing-list address otherwise ppl like me are getting your messages double, just like you will get now... --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: [cut for clarity] > Laying aside for the moment the matter of how the rest > of the tor nodes > should d

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-28 Thread Ted Smith
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 03:01 -0700, Tripple Moon wrote: > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > > > From: Scott Bennett > Subject: Re: 25 tbreg > relays in directory > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Date: Tuesday, April > 28, 2009, 12:57 AM [cut for clarity] > That brings up something >

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-28 Thread Jim McClanahan
> By "remotely calculated CRC-value of the client" i mean that the destination does the CRC calculation of the connecting client. > Yes this means the client needs to send all of its binary-self to the > destination. That would be a pretty big upload for a dial-up user! I am also wondering what

Re: Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-28 Thread Scott Bennett
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Tripple Moon wrote: >--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > >> From: Scott Bennett >> Subject: Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory >> To: or-talk@freehaven.net >> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:57 AM >[cut for clarity] >> That brings up som

Version checking (was Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory)

2009-04-28 Thread Tripple Moon
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > From: Scott Bennett > Subject: Re: 25 tbreg relays in directory > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:57 AM [cut for clarity] > That brings up something that has bothered me for a > long time. When > tor discovers that