Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-10 Thread anon ymous
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If a middleman dies and the client gets to know this. Can a running circuit be recovered by chosing a new middle-man and informing the nodes down the chain about this? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://fir

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-09 Thread Scott Bennett
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:31:02 -0800 "F. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Roger Dingledine wrote: >(snip) >| Even if you hup your Tor rather than restarting it, you're still killing >| all the circuits going through you... >(snip) > >I didn't know this; since I'm using Kitsune-OR experimentally

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-09 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 07:31:02PM -0800, F. Fox wrote: > Roger Dingledine wrote: > (snip) > | Even if you hup your Tor rather than restarting it, you're still killing > | all the circuits going through you... > (snip) > > I didn't know this; since I'm using Kitsune-OR experimentally in part, > I'

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-09 Thread F. Fox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Roger Dingledine wrote: (snip) | Even if you hup your Tor rather than restarting it, you're still killing | all the circuits going through you... (snip) I didn't know this; since I'm using Kitsune-OR experimentally in part, I've SIGHUP'ed it quite

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-09 Thread F. Fox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) |> Very true. This is one reason why I suggest only organizations (as |> opposed to residential users) - who have the money, manpower, and other |> resources to deal with legal issues - allow exits from any node they

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Scott Bennett
I wrote: + On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:32:23 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +wrote: +>Scott Bennett wrote: +>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:15:05 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +>> wrote: +>> +>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +>>> + Another point is that without a tor s

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Scott Bennett
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:32:23 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:15:05 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Another point is that without a tor server my home would be

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Jon McLachlan
Scott Bennett wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:15:05 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point is that without a tor server my home would be vulnerable to traffic analysis and a further point is that a tor server is more safe than only a cli

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Scott Bennett
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:15:05 -0600 Jon McLachlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Another point is that without a tor server my home would be vulnerable to >> traffic >> analysis and a further point is that a tor server is more safe than only a >> client. >> >I thi

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 07:43:06PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Every time the IP changes - or the relay even goes down and up (instead > > of doing a -SIGHUP) - it breaks all the circuits running through your node. > > i've been killing the tor server via torctl stop before my disconnects

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > Every time the IP changes - or the relay even goes down and up (instead > of doing a -SIGHUP) - it breaks all the circuits running through your node. i've been killing the tor server via torctl stop before my disconnects and restarting via torctl start (i also restarted squid and privoxy).

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > | i got only a snail mail with a complaint about much spam, because i > started with no closed port. > | Since i closed port 25 i had no complaint since more than a year :-) > | And with the proxy chaining of port 80 it should be fine for the next > years. > (snip) > > Odd; the default exit

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Jon McLachlan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point is that without a tor server my home would be vulnerable to traffic analysis and a further point is that a tor server is more safe than only a client. I think this depends largely on what type of traffic analysis we're talking about. Traffic analysis, j

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > (snip) > | yes, they can't! At least for an exit gateway they receive > | potentially tons of abuse complaints. with a transparent proxy +ISP proxy they can get abuse complaints about their proxy or maybe (with really good http header evaluation) about my proxy. So the complaints are all ab

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid confusion, Don't do that. It takes several hours before all the clients have your current descriptor, if you keep changing it every two or so hours you are only placing a burden on the

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread F. Fox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) | i got only a snail mail with a complaint about much spam, because i started with no closed port. | Since i closed port 25 i had no complaint since more than a year :-) | And with the proxy chaining of port 80 it sho

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread F. Fox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Olaf Selke wrote: | Hans Schnehl wrote: (snip) | yes, they can't! At least for an exit gateway they receive | potentially tons of abuse complaints. Very true. This is one reason why I suggest only organizations (as opposed to residential users) - w

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread F. Fox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) | | it's because a moving target is harder to hit; it's more safe to | change the IP number often. Another point is that states like germany | do like IP numbers so much that they do data retention and therefore | i

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Hans Schnehl
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 10:52:57PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > > A word about obfuscation: If we run a tor node, we are as anonymous as Sta. > > Claus > > hiding behind sunglasses to our ISP's. > > that's clear; i'm using TOR as a mix with a transparent local http proxy > which u

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > Hans Schnehl wrote: > > > > A word about obfuscation: If we run a tor node, we are as anonymous as Sta. > > Claus > > hiding behind sunglasses to our ISP's. If they want, they can see that we > > are running a router/tor-node. > > Actually they can hardly miss it. > > yes, they can't! A

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Ringo Kamens
Changing the IPs has the added benefit of helping users behind firewalls that block tor. Comrade Ringo Kamens On Jan 7, 2008 5:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > If this or things like it continue people who see a need to block (or > > otherwise treat differently) users from TOR will s

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > If this or things like it continue people who see a need to block (or > otherwise treat differently) users from TOR will simply run probing > hosts across the tor network, wasting TOR bandwidth, and applying > their tor blocks to big proxy servers. that would be useless because i do change

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Jan 7, 2008 4:52 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's clear; i'm using TOR as a mix with a transparent local http proxy > which uses an ISP > proxy as parent proxy, so that the exit traffic goes through two proxies and > with several numbers > in the X_FORWARDED_FOR header ;-) > That's goo

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > A word about obfuscation: If we run a tor node, we are as anonymous as Sta. > Claus > hiding behind sunglasses to our ISP's. that's clear; i'm using TOR as a mix with a transparent local http proxy which uses an ISP proxy as parent proxy, so that the exit traffic goes through two proxies

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Olaf Selke
Hans Schnehl wrote: A word about obfuscation: If we run a tor node, we are as anonymous as Sta. Claus hiding behind sunglasses to our ISP's. If they want, they can see that we are running a router/tor-node. Actually they can hardly miss it. yes, they can't! At least for an exit gateway they

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Hans Schnehl
Hi, On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 09:19:11PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:55:36 +0100 Tom Hek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > >> i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid > > >> confusion, > > > > *Ten times per day?* Ple

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread dr . _no
Hi, > On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:55:36 +0100 Tom Hek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid > >> confusion, > > *Ten times per day?* Please tell us again why it is you're bothering > to run a tor server if you also feel you hav

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Alexander W. Janssen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Bennett schrieb: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:55:36 +0100 Tom Hek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >>> i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid >>> confusion, > > *Ten times per day?* Please tell us again why it is

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Scott Bennett
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:55:36 +0100 Tom Hek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid >> confusion, *Ten times per day?* Please tell us again why it is you're bothering to run a tor server if you also feel you have to hide its existen

Re: What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread Tom Hek
i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid confusion, i'm stopping my TOR server before and starting after the number change. But after the start TOR is very slow. Is there a better way to tell the TOR server that the public IP has changed? Tor will detect it and repub

What to do at IP number change?

2008-01-07 Thread dr . _no
Hi, i'm changing my public IP number ten times per day and to avoid confusion, i'm stopping my TOR server before and starting after the number change. But after the start TOR is very slow. Is there a better way to tell the TOR server that the public IP has changed? Greets