Von: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2003 21:00
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Betreff: RE: Any articles/books that take relational theory and make it
Paula - It may get worse. A noted O-O author said "a database is just a
means to persist
which noted O-O author said that about DBs?
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> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/20 Thu PM 02:59:58 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Any articles/books that take relational theory and make it
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Paula - It may get worse. A noted O-O author said "a database is just a
means to persist an object". I also see a lot of young developers that
haven't taken much Computer Science, so haven't been exposed to underlying
theories like relational modeling. Well, we DBAs just have to be lights
shining i
: Daniel Hanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2003/11/19 Wed PM 04:35:03 EST
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> > Agreed. And I think you'll
Why in an IT shop - do us DBA's only seem to understand this? As I see it most
programmers don't understanding data models at all! It makes it easier for them to
ignore the DBA's as being theoretical, academic
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Hear, hear!
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--- Michael Milligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As Date is want to say, "Theory is practical!" (Chapter One,
> Relational
> Database Writings 1991-1994).
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> IMHO, a lack of understanding of relational database theory leads
> directly
> to database designs so flawed that they can
there are used copies for sale right on there.
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> From: "KENNETH JANUSZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/11/20 Thu AM 11:20:15 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Unfortunately according to Amazon.com this book is out of print.
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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> "Data Modeling Essentials" by Graeme C Simsion is a very good book.
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Subject: Any articles/books that take relational theory and make it
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:24:57 -0800
I swapped emails with a member of the list and Im having trouble seeing how
you can take 3NF, B
7;. I *will* quite happily say 'so how will you ensure
> > data integrity?' 'what happens if another program uses the same data' or
> > 'why did you use computed summaries?'
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> > Niall
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> > > From:
As Date is want to say, "Theory is practical!" (Chapter One, Relational
Database Writings 1991-1994).
IMHO, a lack of understanding of relational database theory leads directly
to database designs so flawed that they can't possibly allow their
application to accomplish their goals. If you don't th
ame data' or
> 'why did you use computed summaries?'
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> Niall
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> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > I swapped emails wit
To me, CJ Date is the one who makes it crystal clear. Not in his main book,
but in his "Relational Database Readings" books, which I have most of.
I have also seen some good articles by Fabian Pascal.
I also have a new book called "Data Modeling for Everyone" by Sharon Allen,
published by Curlin
esday, November 19, 2003 8:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Any articles/books that take relational theory and make it
english?
I swapped emails with a member of the list and Im having trouble seeing how
you can take 3NF, BCNF, etc... and turn that into DBA speak. O
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I swapped emails with a member of the list and Im having trouble seeing how you can
> take 3NF, BCNF, etc... and turn that into DBA speak. One of the guys told me that
> BCNF essentially means you have a key that you can put a unique constraint on.
"Data Modeling Essentials" by Graeme C Simsion is a very good book.
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Title: RE: Any articles/books that take relational theory and make it english?
Ryan,
I often recommend Database Design for Mere Mortals by Michael J. Hernandez for my students, new database developers, and especially for programmers that I work with. It's a step above something
I swapped emails with a member of the list and Im having trouble seeing how you can
take 3NF, BCNF, etc... and turn that into DBA speak. One of the guys told me that BCNF
essentially means you have a key that you can put a unique constraint on. Well that
makes this much easier to understand.
Al
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