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Degree/OCP achievement doesn't teach f all - in my opinion - though it
does prove your memory isn't shot.
I can think of much cheaper and much more reliable and credible ways of
checking my memory... :)
lot. The reason, for example, that I personally prefer
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For an application DBA? Exactly which part of the degree or OCP prepares or
qualifies
one for such a job specification? Matter of fact, where is application DBA
defined in Oracle education or any other IT education organization? Which courses
from Oracle prepare one for that? While we're there, I wish someone
Mercadante, Thomas F scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Bill,
Did you point out to them how *freekin wrong* they had been?!?!?!?!
I would not have been able to resist the free shot.
ya never know when i'll need to find another contract, so i was very
diplomatic. but damn it was
Noons writes
For an application DBA? Exactly which part of the degree
or OCP prepares or qualifies one for such a job
specification? Matter of fact, where is application DBA
defined in Oracle education or any other IT education
organization? Which courses from Oracle prepare one
stands for,
the term Application DBA would not even appear in conversation.
Some people might be Developer Administrators.
: )
Patrice.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:29 PM
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In the usage I'm familiar with (I are one
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Sounds kind of redundant. It seems to me if DBA (the acronym) wasn't
used
routinely as a word, and people lost track of what the acronym stands
for,
the term Application DBA would not even appear in conversation.
Some people might be Developer Administrators.
: )
Patrice.
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: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:49 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Application DBA
Patrice, Stephane
My 2 cents worth. I have seen differences between
administering an Oracle database that is hosting an in-house
Title: RE: Application DBA
Developer Administrators... not in this lifetime. There are some of our developers I don't want to 'administer'... it is too much fun watching/helping them learn. Once they come to terms with my sense of humor and realize that I want them to experiment and try new
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Subject: Application DBA
Someone sent me this URL when I mentioned that there may be Application
Administrators, but no Application DBAs.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleG
uide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
http
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Usually, the term used is devlopment DBA.
sniperoo
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleGu
ide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
and some will insist they be OCPs...
Cheers
Nuno Souto
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Please see the
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Subject: Re: Application DBA
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Usually, the term used is devlopment DBA.
sniperoo
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleGu
ide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
and some will insist they be OCPs
to mean a dba
experienced with the the oracle applications like financials, etc...
am i correct to assume this?
From: Boivin, Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/02 Tue PM 03:54:26 EDT
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Application DBA
Someone sent
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
more and more employers are requiring OCPs and 'related degrees' such
as computer science or a masters degree. At least in the US they are.
How are things in other parts of the world?
that they are and experience doesn't seem to
im going with the flow. doing a Masters(company is paying for it) and doing
my OCP. Ill probably go cert happy over time... do java,solaris, etc... I
know for a fact not having a computer science degree hurt me. I was told it.
So if employers want something, Ill give it to them. As long as a
Bill,
Did you point out to them how *freekin wrong* they had been?!?!?!?! I would
not have been able to resist the free shot.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:59 PM
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commission.
I have seen situations where a graduate with 10-12 yrs exp (like the
guys i quoted above who have solid exp. in Application/DBA/Languages)
simply bypassed and some other joker with no relevant exp but is from
IIT/IIM chosen for the post of Tech.Lead. Strange but true.
GovindanK
[EMAIL
William, I did my OCP because of the same reason. My student was given
preference by one recruiter who did OCP and my resume kept on a side because
I was not OCP. My 10 years experience in 1998 was not counted agianst 1 year
experience + OCP of my student.
Yes, this happened in USA. Now a days
Title: Message
Someone sent me this URL when I mentioned that there may be Application
Administrators, but no Application DBAs.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/oit/SDM/inHTML/HtmlFiles/SDM/StyleGuide/SECURITYANDACCESSPOLICY.htm
Patrice.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice
JSent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:54 PMTo: Multiple
recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: "Application
DBA"
Someone sent me this URL when I mentioned that there may be Application
Administrators, but no Application DB
with them, etc. In the
other case you get to know how the application uses Oracle. I don't know if
that is what is meant by application DBA.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:24 PM
To: Multiple
and Oracle database that is hosting a
third-party application. In one case you get to know the developers,
negotiate with them, etc. In the other case you get to know how the
application uses Oracle. I don't know if that is what is meant by
application DBA.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Title: RE: Application DBA
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April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite
Adam Wells age 11
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From: Nelson, Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September
Hi all,
What's the difference/similarity between Oracle
Application DBA and Oracle DBA. To be an applicatoin
DBA, what kind of materials need to be studied?
Any idea, white paper, web site will be appreciated.
Thanks.
Leslie
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Do You Yahoo
was not referring to application
developers that had appointed themselves to be an application DBA but to
honest-to-goodness certified, card-carrying Oracle DBAs, some of whom tend
to work with new development. I agree with you that DBA has the word
administer in it which is inherently different from
Patrice - I think the previous discussion was not referring to application
developers that had appointed themselves to be an application DBA but to
honest-to-goodness certified, card-carrying Oracle DBAs, some of whom tend
to work with new development. I agree with you that DBA has the word
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